Poll: Would the defeat of Piracy cause you to start purchasing games?
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Nope. Games are expensive here and I don't have a credit card so I can buy games on steam (They always have discounts on steam).
I always pay. Why wouldn't you support the people who make games if you're a gamer? If you get a duff game, suck up the punishment. It's not like you enjoy every film you pay to see at the cinema.
Where I might make an exception are old games out of publication. In my view, publishers should dump all their old games on a download system like Steam with a low fee (<$10 or so). I'd happily pay if I wanted one. However, mostly they just leave them impossible to get hold of, which means they can't get any money out of it with or without piracy, whilst denying people the ability to play it.
Where I might make an exception are old games out of publication. In my view, publishers should dump all their old games on a download system like Steam with a low fee (<$10 or so). I'd happily pay if I wanted one. However, mostly they just leave them impossible to get hold of, which means they can't get any money out of it with or without piracy, whilst denying people the ability to play it.
Tbh I've had a poor internet connection lately (essentially preventing piracy), and I just haven't downloaded any games. And I'm pretty fine with it.
So if piracy was defeated I think I'd just... stop playing games.
Wow that sounds really depressing
So if piracy was defeated I think I'd just... stop playing games.
Wow that sounds really depressing
If company's started making decent games that were not dumbed down and were innovative then there would be little reason for pirating apart from the ludicrous price tag thats on all games.
Nobody can really say its due to pirating really as PC has some of the cheapest price tags around and the highest of all pirate games. Xbox and 360 on the other hand have ridiculously high price tags (Up to £50 GPB) and have the lowest pirate rate albeit it still happens.
Its no wonder people pirate when they have just spent out £50 on bland shooter mark 2 and don't want to spend another £50 on whats essentially the same game by a different company with different maps and skins.
Nobody can really say its due to pirating really as PC has some of the cheapest price tags around and the highest of all pirate games. Xbox and 360 on the other hand have ridiculously high price tags (Up to £50 GPB) and have the lowest pirate rate albeit it still happens.
Its no wonder people pirate when they have just spent out £50 on bland shooter mark 2 and don't want to spend another £50 on whats essentially the same game by a different company with different maps and skins.
N/A I pay for things I have legally. If I have a problem with DRM or some such bull I just don't buy the game and they don't get my money. It works pretty well for me and I'm not breaking any laws.
I don`t pirate anything these days (never pirated video games anyways ,love my hobby too much to potentially damage it )i just choose carefully ,that said publishers really should give the public more demoes ,would really help to cut down on piracy ,anyways i chose the non-appicable option because ,well that`s where i stand
Well, if you'll read my last post, the one after the post you quoted I believe, you'll find that my argument is that unfortunately, at least with the system we have, one side is always going to risk getting screwed, the gamers or the creators. I've favored the people who create and produce the game because the effort they put into its creation, and the financial risk they take in its production, are far greater than the risk that I have to take purchasing a lisence to play the game. Regarding the use of a pirated copy to demo the game, the problem is that group B, quite like myself, are human. Humans are very good at decieveing even themselves for their own benefit, even the most honest of us are subject to this unfortunate fact of our own psychology. It is far to easy for someone to convince themselves that a game they pirated a copy of wasn't worth it. Not to mention, who should be the ultimate judge of which games are worth paying for, and which games aren't worth paying for. If the value of a game comes in part from the quality of the game, but my judgement of the quality of the game is subjective, I might find the new Alone in the Dark worth paying for, while many others would not find it worth paying for. My judgement and the judgements of the people who wouldn't pay in no way affect how much effort was put into the game's creation, so a subjective standard can't be used to judge whether or not a game should be paid for. Even more popular games like Fallout 3 and Halo have people who absolutely hate them, but again their distaste for these games does not mean that there was not a great ammount of effort put into their creation. Group A is keeping themselves honest in all cases, even when they do get screwed, by making sure they pay for every game they play. Group B risks being unintentionally dishonest (the unfortunate fact of all of our humanity, as I will admit myself that if I were in Group B I could very easily decieve myself into not paying for games that I should've paid for). Furthermore, Group A's method encourages not just the production of new games, but the production of experimental games different from those we've experienced before (because they pay both for successful and failed experiments), while Group B's method of only paying for what they judged to be fun encourages an industry that is afraid of experimentation because the risk of experimentation can become too great to afford in the case of a failed experiment. Those concerned with a potential future where we all play nothing but "Captain Bland's Monotonous Adventure" should be very disturbed by the actions of group B who punish potential experimenters when they fail (as all experimenters inevitibly will from time to time).Signa said:
I don't pirate things, mostly because I believe people should receive just compensation for their works that I enjoy. I never really understood the logic of the pirates. In some places however, the amount of compensation is excessive for the other party. So I don't really side with either point in the debate.
Well I don't generally pirate, I think the last game I downloaded was Bulder's Gate 2, a game I own a copy of but after several hours searching through boxes trying to find it, I just said "meh screw this noise" and grabbed a copy off the net, got my fix of replay.
I don't think anyone could really call that pirating, but by the letter of the law, it is.
I personally think game companies need to step back 15 years and look at the Star Craft multi-player spawn mode, I know the vast majority of games I've played over the last decade have been games I've been bullied into playing by friends at LANs, and otherwise have had zero interest in purchasing, mostly FPS games they've purchased.
But that's only my view on games and movies, TV episodes are fair game, I'm not waiting 6 months for the latest episode of House/Supernatural/etc to come out in Australia when I've got a broadband connection ready to go and a nice flatscreen TV, they don't want me doing that, offer me a legal way to do it.
I don't think anyone could really call that pirating, but by the letter of the law, it is.
I personally think game companies need to step back 15 years and look at the Star Craft multi-player spawn mode, I know the vast majority of games I've played over the last decade have been games I've been bullied into playing by friends at LANs, and otherwise have had zero interest in purchasing, mostly FPS games they've purchased.
But that's only my view on games and movies, TV episodes are fair game, I'm not waiting 6 months for the latest episode of House/Supernatural/etc to come out in Australia when I've got a broadband connection ready to go and a nice flatscreen TV, they don't want me doing that, offer me a legal way to do it.
I buy my games inspite of there being a piracy option. I make enough money that blowing $60 every few months on entertainment is not a big deal. Theoreticaly if piracy nolonger existed game prices would go down, and that might cause more people to buy games. I don't think the inability to pirate games would cause people to buy games, but the side effect of lower prices might.
Yeah, the perils of writing longs responses result in such issues to come up. Regarding your post above, I can see that is where we differ. I'm more of the type to root for the little guy, because he is the one can can get trampled the easiest. The same blows to the little guy are far more devastating to him than to the corporate giants. I thank you for remaining civil in your response though. I've had similarly worded conversations on this site, and they instantly turn inflammatory against me.Kpt._Rob said:
That right there is the real conundrum. Value to the individual trumps the value to the market just simply because it is the individual who buys the product. What I'm trying to say is that as being mostly part of Group B, I leave it up to myself to find the best price to pay for a product, even if it's not the price that was set by the market. Sometimes, my price is higher than the market price, and I actually feel guilty about not paying more for the game. There have been several games over the years where I'm tempted to buy the game again purely on principle of the value of the game.
If you like Alone in the Dark, then the price it goes for shouldn't matter if you want to buy it. You have a sense of honor, and are bound by it to buy it because you liked it. In that example, you may have just defeated your own argument about whether "demos" are a good thing or not. By not pre-demoing a game, you are going to have to rely on the press and other feedback to chose for you. I've heard the bad press, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have bought the game blindly. What if you liked it though? That was one less sale for Alone in the Dark because you didn't take the chance to demo it yourself.
The subjectivity of game sales is really what I meant to address in the section. The amount of effort that goes into a game is also subjective, and does play a part in my purchasing decisions. One of the games that I felt bad about was Sacred 2. The moment I started playing it, I felt really bad because not only did I just spend a meager $60 on the collector's edition, but I was only going to be one of the few people to experience this masterpiece because I knew it wasn't going to get the exposure it deserved. I really don't know all the aspects that most pirates look at when the download any content, but judging from the responses in this thread, most have a good idea where to direct their attention. It doesn't necessarily give us the right to choose our price (this is supposed to be capitalism, not communism), but the hope is that enough will play fair and buy it at it's value. Isn't that what we already do by not going to a retail store and stealing all the copies off of the shelf?
Logically, how does that follow that Group B doesn't contribute? Is it not possible for some experimental game to get lots of attention and sales if Group B plays fair? Group B is a very gray area, and it's no wonder why we are arguing about their intentions. I can tell you my intentions, and that I fit into group B more than I do with Group A, and that I'm certainly not part of Group C. What I just wish we could do is educate Group B and part of C to play fair. Not all of B is going to play fair, and C certainly doesn't at all. Just think of all the money that goes into licensing DRM and copy protection for a title. All that money could go towards educating half of B and half of C. I guarantee that it would be a much more solid investment than DRM or "Don't copy that floppy." Hell, even DCTF still had the right idea, because it told people the plain truth. Steal games, and you won't get any more. I just wish they expanded on that more, and would have the balls to admit that they can't tell you what to do with floppies (or the internet in today's age), but just to play fair so that everyone wins.
