Poll: Would the world be a better place without religion?

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fulano

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Quel0 post=18.71618.731076 said:
I think that we should stop believing in just one possibility and come to the realisation that everything happens in an infinite universe. Therefore every religion/belief/stupid idea is a reality. This would encourage creative intellectualism and reduce foolish fights about "being right."
actually NO. Being right is what got us here, otherwise most humans would have gone extinct a while back. If we don't weed out ineffective assumptions we¿re toast.

Mutually exclusive creationist forces just cannot both be true by their own admission.

Trying to live in a world where "everything can be true" because the universe is "infinite" doesn't do anyone any god. If I'm wrong, good luck about building that rocket out of paper mache.
 

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My theory is people create their own gods to give themselves significance and direction in life.

I think the world needs religion. However, with that said, most people who take it as SRS BZNS need to get cockpunched.
 

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Well... I noticed how many people pointed out all the negative things that religion has brought to us. We all know about extremism, terrorism, war, censorship, etc. However, I would like to point out that it has also brought a few positives over the years. Not just something intangible like a code of ethics, but most charities out there seem to be religiously tied. There are plenty of hospitals, schools, and other organizations that do make a positive impact on the world in the name of some religion. So, I think that there is at least some counterbalance to all the negativity religion brings to the table.
 

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jim_doki post=18.71618.731011 said:
you are just begging for a lock, you know that right?

the world would be a lot better without religion, I mean half our wars are based on religious differences, but then again there are a lot of people in this world who put up with a lot of shit in the hopes that maybe after they're done here they get a reward of some kind. this gets a no
"half our wars are based on religious differences"?
That's not true at all, most wars are based on land ownership or differences in political ideology, NOT RELIGION - most civil wars, world war 1 and 2, vietnam, korea, both Iraq wars, hell, every fucking war in recent memory (disregarding shithole countries like pakistan and such) has had nothing to do with religion. I'm so sick of hearing that far-left myth.

As to whether or not the world would be better, eh, maybe. You have to remember that a lot of people base their morals and principles on religious teachings and without those, man would be left with nothing but his own honor and sense of justice to guide him in his actions, and we all know how reliable THAT is...

On the other hand, religion does cause a lot of unneeded problems, but most of these are social problems which will inevitably work themselves out eventually. Religion might even work itself out too - more and more people seem to be letting go of their religious faiths, and in our secular world this is most likely a good thing.
 

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No. I remeber in 7th grade when my teacher said "Religion is a mans crutch" meaning that when were down we need something to help us up. We can't always believe that some sort of god is going to help us but we can't always depend on people either. I've notice that when Im down and I cant talk to my family or (since im not religious) to "god" that I feel empty and scared like Im walking on a dark path with no flashlight. The world does need religion.
 

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Quel0

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unabomberman post=18.71618.731111 said:
actually NO. Being right is what got us here, otherwise most humans would have gone extinct a while back. If we don't weed out ineffective assumptions we¿re toast.

Mutually exclusive creationist forces just cannot both be true by their own admission.

Trying to live in a world where "everything can be true" because the universe is "infinite" doesn't do anyone any god. If I'm wrong, good luck about building that rocket out of paper mache.
Sure we can push our boundaries with our understanding of math and physics but that's only an interpretation of our existance not the whole. If you come to accept that there's an infinite of possibilities beyond what we can interpret it allows for a more open mind and hopefully better understanding of something beyond what we already know. Sciences are a small representation of our boundaries of understanding, but there's so much more in this existence that we do not or cannot "see."
 

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I think many people would've probably ended up doing not so nice things anyway, with or without the influence of religion, though it's kinda hard to decide which would be worse. Lot's of people who believe in heaven and hell still end up doing pretty bad things, and it sounds like with catholics all you gotta do to get into heaven is confess your sins...
can't say I really know anything though, I'm an athiest and my own moral fibre keeps me from doing anything that would wrong my fellow man, despite how much I hate you.
 

Ares Tyr

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Religion of all societies across the world is one of the largest factors in the creation of culture and artistry. Almost every great historical artist used religious and ancient mythical figures as a basis for their art work. Religion gave the peoples of different places a way to bond early on (though later on these things caused people to disgree once they discovered other cultures). We pretty much owe all of classical and ancient cultures to religion and mythology.

And while religion may cause problems, and cause humans to retain ignorance, it also gives us a way to escape and to have hope in the face of the dark, dark world around us. I have a religion that I value, and while I'm not what most people would call "religious" I am atleast spiritual. I'm a Buddhist, and if you look at Eastern art, culture, and literature, you will see that alot of it is based around Taoist, Buddhist, Shinto, and Hindu subject matter and teachings.

The same goes for the west. Greek literature, art, and culture is based around the Gods of Olympus and the heroes of myth. This was later adopted by and added upon by the Romans. In the middle east, religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam formed the basis for art, culture, and literature.

Alot of people may say they do not need or want religion in the world, but without religion, the cultures that got us to the place where we are at now would never have existed. My own validation of spirituality is the expression of human spirit, mentality, and the soul through art, and I don't think its any coincendence that many old artists favorite subject matters were those of a spiritual nature.

Its fairly obvious that without religion, the world would be a very bleak, and honestly, boring place. So no, it wouldn't be a better place without it.
 

The Iron Ninja

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What about cave paintings? I thought that would be the basis for art. To be fair Religion would have propelled all those things forward. But I doubt they wouldn't happen in the absense of it
 

Matthew Alexander

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I have to say no to the question. Especially as an artist. I'm not a religious person myself all the different faiths have contributed something to our society and spiritual heritage giving us a rich and diverse collection of archetypal imagery with which to draw upon.
 

Ares Tyr

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The Iron Ninja post=18.71618.731219 said:
What about cave paintings? I thought that would be the basis for art. To be fair Religion would have propelled all those things forward. But I doubt they wouldn't happen in the absense of it
Cave paintings were actually an early way for people to communicate a message through pictures (pictographs, more or less). They depicted hunting and other survival skills. It was more of a practical thing than just paintng pictures because they look nice.

But also, Cavemen were far more superstitious than even the most religious people, so to say they were thinking logically the whole time would be wrong. Where do you think the term "fire worshipper" comes from?
 

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Yes and No
religion and its base moral values is very good but it only take a few nut jobs to screw it all up(like the crusades, terrorists, ex)
 

fulano

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The only difference of note in a world without religion would be that if we didn't have religion then we wouldn't be entitled to anything at all.

Think about it, wars and overall mistreatment wouldn't change, we'd just try to justify it some other way, but the sole fact of there not being any supernatural justification of any kind for anything would be worth it.

It would be a coming of age for our species. That's how I see it.

So yeah, I stick to my guns. Right now we need it overall, but later we won't.
 

The Iron Ninja

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Ares Tyr post=18.71618.731226 said:
The Iron Ninja post=18.71618.731219 said:
What about cave paintings? I thought that would be the basis for art. To be fair Religion would have propelled all those things forward. But I doubt they wouldn't happen in the absense of it
Cave paintings were actually an early way for people to communicate a message through pictures (pictographs, more or less). They depicted hunting and other survival skills. It was more of a practical thing than just paintng pictures because they look nice.

But also, Cavemen were far more superstitious than even the most religious people, so to say they were thinking logically the whole time would be wrong. Where do you think the term "fire worshipper" comes from?
It's hard to argue with you, since history has been shaped by culture that spawned ultimately from beleif. I just wish it was possible to see the outcome of a world without religion. But in the absense of religion, humans will just start worshiping anything they see. It's part of who we are I guess.
 

fulano

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It's hard to argue with you, since history has been shaped by culture that spawned ultimately from beleif. I just wish it was possible to see the outcome of a world without religion. But in the absense of religion, humans will just start worshiping anything they see. It's part of who we are I guess.
No, it's not. I was never pushed to believe in anything of any kind in my formative years and I grew up as best as I could and never felt a void I needed to feel with anything. I don't think people would just start worshiping stuff just like that in this day and age.