Poll: Would you abort a pregnancy if the child would have Down Syndrome?

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Wardnath

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LilleGraa said:
My mothers littlebrother has down syndrome, and he goes to this school sometimes where they make amazing things, such as animals out of wood, paintings etc (they're very good, contrary to what one might think if one didn't see it)


And it's interesting how a lot of people who don't really know someone with down syndrome perceive them.

I think I would abort it, and I picked that option on the poll, but now that I've thought about it, I'm not really sure, actually.
I wish I had that person's skills. Awesome picture. =)

RowdyRodimus said:
That picture is awesome! Isn't it just, sweet (hope I don't lose my man card for that)...
Haha, nah.
 

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LilleGraa said:
My mothers littlebrother has down syndrome, and he goes to this school sometimes where they make amazing things, such as animals out of wood, paintings etc (they're very good, contrary to what one might think if one didn't see it)


And it's interesting how a lot of people who don't really know someone with down syndrome perceive them.

I think I would abort it, and I picked that option on the poll, but now that I've thought about it, I'm not really sure, actually.

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updraftnoir19and99 said:
In my own opinion, Down's people are some of the sunnyiest, happiest, least complicated people in the world, and I feel positive after chatting with them.
Also, this. :)
Thats so... pure... as far as art goes. I like it. I dont know why but that little thing there you showed me changed my mind about this topic. I was going to say yes depending on the severity of the illness but these people are good people regardless of intellect or the way they percieve the world. As long as they can create beauty like that they are human, with a soul.
 

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i would not bring a being into this planet knowing that it had no real chance at life. i couldn't submit anything to that kind of torture ... life's hard enough when you're not retarded
 

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updraftnoir19and99 said:
Wow, there are so many people saying yes it's kind of unnerving.
It's not just unnerving, it's disgusting.
I'm near-physically ill reading some of these responses.

This alone is sickening beyond words:
BlindTom said:
My daughter has downs. I wish we had aborted.
My mom worked with kids with downs for years, my sister works with them, my wife worked with them, and I've worked with them (Though far less then any of them). I've watched them be real, happy, contributing members of society despite their disabilities. More then some 'normal' people I know.

The idea of aborting a child strictly because of a disability is nothing short of horrific.
I'm seriously, physically angry right now.
Shame on you all.
 

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Yes. Absolutely. Without a second thought.

I know it makes me an evil, evil person but I don't even think of Down's sufferers as human. They're...not right. Defective. Little more than pets or playthings like animals. And like I said, I know that makes me an evil, evil person but my revulsion at the sight of them is deeply personal and not something I can deny.

although i disagree with you completely i respect the you because of the way you said it.
 

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It would probably be up to her. It always is. Her opinion is much more important than mine! If it were somehow in my hands,.....I do not know. After all.....she is carrying the child.
 

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Many post on here disturb me and pretty much make me rather sick.

I would defiently not abort, though i would adopt if it becomes too much of a problem.

this is Mainly due to personal reasons

I was born with many birth defects, i suffer from mild ceberal palsy in my ankle when i was a born the doctor thought it was serious and told my Mum i was a spastic and would never be able to walk but luckly for me i starting walking properly when i was six years old (yeah at bit late but it's pretty much a miracle) and that's not even counting my asberger syndrome, mild torrets and my lazy eye. Oh and also i forgot to add i was deaf as a kid too.

With everything i have i've had been able to live a pretty normal lifestyle, i have a small volenteering job, i live alone and im content with that i would wish that someone with downs would be able to do the same things as i do.

To all the People who are saying in this topic about how people with birth defects are not human and aren't able to live a normal life. I am living proof that people with birth defects can live normal lives and people who want be ignorant to people like me that's something i seriously can't stand and to be honest those people don't really deserve to breathe.

It may be your choice but please don't be ignorant about it.
 

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Baby Tea said:
updraftnoir19and99 said:
Wow, there are so many people saying yes it's kind of unnerving.
It's not just unnerving, it's disgusting.
I'm near-physically ill reading some of these responses.

This alone is sickening beyond words:
BlindTom said:
My daughter has downs. I wish we had aborted.
My mom worked with kids with downs for years, my sister works with them, my wife worked with them, and I've worked with them (Though far less then any of them). I've watched them be real, happy, contributing members of society despite their disabilities. More then some 'normal' people I know.

The idea of aborting a child strictly because of a disability is nothing short of horrific.
I'm seriously, physically angry right now.
Shame on you all.
It probably doesn't help that Down's sufferers are seen on the 'Net as "hurr durr derp derp derp", either. >_>
 

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wellhereiam said:
I'm mildly disgusted at the number of people who are saying yes. My uncle has down syndrome and while he may not perceive things like we do he still has thoughts and emotions.
Any kind of obvious crippling condition -> ABORTION ! No question about it.
You can always (try to) make another (better // less faulty) child later, which otherwise you probably wouldn't have bothered having at all in the first place.

Now ask yourself this : would you rather have your uncle as is, with Downs, or would rather have an ever so slightly younger uncle (or aunt) WITHOUT Downs ?
And no, you can't have both, you have to pick one or the other option.
It is I who would be disgusted if you picked the former instead of the latter.
I don't know where this sentiment is coming from is but my uncle is not some THING that should just be thrown away. HE IS A HUMAN BEING, he deserves to live now just like he deserved to live when he was conceived. My grandparents LOVE him they don't treat him like some defective product that they should have gotten rid of. He's no more inferior to me or you than a homeless person or a crppled person is. The day I say anyone who isn't capable of providing for themselves doesn't have the right to live is the day I stop being a human being.
 

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Wardnath said:
I think the OP should really change the thread title to "Poll: Would you abort a pregnancy if the child would have severe enough Down Syndrome?"
Problem with that is the the tests performed to determine if a foetus has Trisomy-21 (the genetic condition that results in Down's Syndrome) can't predict if any associated intellectual or developmental deficiency (retardation) will occur.
 

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Uh, took me two hours to read the entire topic. I'm glad I did :)

I voted "Depends", although I'm pro-choice. Why I voted like that? Because it really depends on so many things that every hypothetical answer is rather arbitrary (except for a few of those people that are generally firm in their opinion, but they yet have to be in that situation). It depends on the partner (I'm female, but I'd respect the opinion of my partner although I'd probably be the one with the last word), it depends on our monetary status, our jobs, our general status, the country we live in (in my country, all disabled people are still struggling on getting around as even some hospitals tend to forget that people in wheelchairs have troubles climbing the stairs >_>), our age, problems, families and other. As I was never in such situation, I can't say anything else but "depends". However, I am against having children myself, and even if I decide to have them, I'd rather have only one. If that one child of mine should be diagnosed with a severe problem that will make me and my partner lose the quality of our desired lives (example; we have to stop travelling, going skiing every year or reduce our social life experiences), jobs (example; if one of us would have to quit their job, settle for a low payment one with lower working hours or generally give up from their carrier), spare time activities (example; stop enjoying our hobbies, reduce time we have to spend for each other) and other, I would probably be for abortion. Yes, it can be considered selfish and I do not deny that at all, but it is only my choice and if I have to choose between having a mentally and/or physically extremely disabled child and having a healthy child that will be able to go to college or have his/her own family one day, I'd choose the latter. I do not know why is that viewed in such a terrible way. I won't abort if my child has different hair colour or skin tone; we're not talking about such irrelevant things. We're talking about things that are pretty serious and every person in the world should have a right to choose whether they want a child with a Down Syndrome or the one without it, according to personal preferences. If you want a child with a Down Syndrome, I as hell surely won't stop you from having one; go on and do not abort, it's your choice and if you can handle it, go ahead. Why is there so much sensitivity towards the unborn, hypothetical children with Down Syndrome that might one day be aborted eludes me; it is not even that common and half of people who voted "yes" are probably going to have second thoughts if it happens to them (including me).

This brings me to the eugenics and Nazis (oh God), because fairly a lot of people compared aborting a DS child to one, the other or both. Comparing your own personal choice of aborting one child is in no way comparable to eugenics. Eugenics was an entire movement that wanted to make such practise accepted world-wide by everyone. It was supposed to be forced by the government and applied to all people, whether someone wants it personally or not. This is where the Nazis come in. They made an attempt of making eugenics legal and obligatory for all. You cannot seriously compare something that was legal, promoted by the government and forced upon all people in the state with something that is only your own personal decision which is not forced upon anyone at all. Nobody is trying to force you to abort a child which has Down Syndrome and this topic is not promoting such thing nor did anyone here said so (a few exceptions are, of course, present, but I doubt those people will end up in the government and force us all to do abortions). A doctor will inform you in order to let you choose, which is something that should be done in a free world we tend to try to live in. If you want to keep the child, the crazy Mengelesque doctor with a coat hanger will not jump on you and take the child out and then bathe in its blood. You decide to keep a child, you will keep it. Someone decides not to, they will not. And nobody in the whole wide world has a right to judge someone prior to knowing all facts about that person and why they did it. Nor does that person need to explain it to you in every and utmost detail. That is the true pro-choice. Everybody has a choice, and we have no right questioning that choice and judging people by it (unless there are legal implications, such as a neglecting mother killing her newborn baby or getting it out with a coat hanger and throwing it in a trash can; that's the kind of choice that you should see the face of justice for).

If you decide not to work with leprous people, should Mother Theresa come to you and judge you, telling you how horrible you are and how disgusted she is? If you don't want to adopt a child, should someone who wants to come to tell that you are a horrible person? If you decide not to keep dogs as pets, should someone who does so come to tell you that you are a horrible person for hating dogs? This could go on and on. People have preferences and some people have a preference for not having a child with Down Syndrome. If you do, I don't judge you and if you want to keep that child, I don't judge you and if you have a brother/sister, cousin, aunt or uncle with a Down Syndrome, I don't judge you or them or their parents. So please, don't go on judging others who decide they don't want that. Sure, you might think their reasons are stupid or not good enough, but is that really your problem? One person's dream is another person's nightmare. There is nothing wrong, horrible or unnatural in it.
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RhombusHatesYou said:
Wardnath said:
I think the OP should really change the thread title to "Poll: Would you abort a pregnancy if the child would have severe enough Down Syndrome?"
Problem with that is the the tests performed to determine if a foetus has Trisomy-21 (the genetic condition that results in Down's Syndrome) can't predict if any associated intellectual or developmental deficiency (retardation) will occur.
Huh. I didn't know that. o_O

I gotta ask: what field do you practice?
 

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Wedlock49 said:
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well we don't know until it happened.

ask a parent.
most of the people here are teenagers and have no idea of parenthood or the feelings that come with it (myself included).
I've never had my own child but I was once involved with a mother, after having bonded with her child he ment the world to me. The relationship went nowhere but I loved the child like my own.

I judge things based on the standard of life that will be possible. Someone with Downs couldn't possibly live a full and happy life and I know personally I would hate to be such a burden.
what is a full and happy life?
because i know many people with downs (my sister works with them) and these people are happy with what they have. they don't even want more.

you rarely see ''normal'' people acting like that.
 

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rokkolpo said:
Wedlock49 said:
rokkolpo said:
well we don't know until it happened.

ask a parent.
most of the people here are teenagers and have no idea of parenthood or the feelings that come with it (myself included).
I've never had my own child but I was once involved with a mother, after having bonded with her child he ment the world to me. The relationship went nowhere but I loved the child like my own.

I judge things based on the standard of life that will be possible. Someone with Downs couldn't possibly live a full and happy life and I know personally I would hate to be such a burden.
what is a full and happy life?
because i know many people with downs (my sister works with them) and these people are happy with what they have. they don't even want more.

you rarely see ''normal'' people acting like that.
I'd like you to read this post please.

girls for pandora said:
I voted yes, why? Because my family owns a group home where we care for mentally disabled adults. I've seen Downs people come and out of our care. But I always wondered why we could only care for them for so long before we weren't able to.

The truth of it is --- fifty years they're still very mobile and high functioning. But the truth is once they get older it's a sad sight. Without giving to much out about clients, when i started working for my family we had someone who was the highest function Downs Syndrome patient anyone had ever seen, she could do 90% of her tasks by herself. Which was amazing, but about two years ago she has begun to decline. She doesn't recognize her family members [who are big parts of her life still!] She can no longer get up from a chair or into bed without assistance. She can no longer wipe her bottom or bathe herself. But because of the dementia she is scared and fights with staff, injuring us. Myself included. She also has forgotten how to take medications as well. My mother tells me this is only the tip of the iceberg, soon she will forget how to walk, talk or drink. When that time comes, when we are no longer able to care for her, she will go to a nursing home --- where she'll spend the rest of her days. Normally that's about three months. She is only in her late sixties.

I think I'd be a bad parent if I allowed my child to be born. And I'll look at it this way as well, pregnancy is a risk to myself. And maybe I have another children too, since it does tend to effect older mothers. I can not to that to my other children.

I've seen how their lives end, and I would not want my child to live that way.
 

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wellhereiam said:
I'm mildly disgusted at the number of people who are saying yes. My uncle has down syndrome and while he may not perceive things like we do he still has thoughts and emotions. When my grandparents had to send him to a home because they were no longer able to take care of him I remember that a few days later he was crying because he missed them. He's still human. He's still capable of being happy or sad or angry, and even if he can't express himself he still loves his parents and his sister, and they love him. I desperately hope the people here just don't understand what they're talking about or else I fear for the human race.
I really hope so too. People really, this disability is something you can live with, you don't even know if the doctor is right! 50 year life span?? of a child who can laugh and love and can have my love. This majority ideology is a complete disconnect of basic morals. wheres the common sense, wheres the value of a human life. Let me ask, for an endangered species egg, all the laws that are in place, fines of 1000's of dollars, imprisonment, all the outcries of people over a freakin turtle egg, and yet everyone just turns there eye away from a human over a failed ideology that we can predetermine what a child will be. we can make are assumptions... but based off of our best guess, is it still right to make the decision to snuff out its chances? a man born in the ghetto will stay in the ghetto? a rape victims child will be nothing more than a messed up kid? statistics.. percentage values... "logic"

whatever happened to us fighting for the right to live. for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. more than just freedom to be selfish beings, but a selfless human collection who fight side by side even when things are down. even when chances are low, somewhere we just seemed to have given up... lost faith.. given in to our most morally disconnected thoughts to make things 'easy' instead of right.

"the problem with our liberal friends is not that their ignorant, its just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

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Cheveyo said:
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All I know is that I wouldn't be able to raise the kid properly.

So all you anti-abortion people can fight over who gets him. What's that? No takers? Aw hell, I thought you were trying to be good people.
It's called adoption.
Yeah sure. Let OTHER people take on the burden. You'll just sit in the back, call people murderers, and look down on them.
Call them sinners, call them whores, but by no means attempt to HELP.
Maybe this is just my poor memory kicking in, but I don't remember calling anyone any of those things...and I've volunteered helping the handicapped.