Poll: Would you attend this church?
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Separation of church and state doesn't work when half the people in your government are rabid bible-thumpers.joebthegreat said:
Extremist agnosticism never started any war. Religions start wars.
And hey, wanna hold yourself to a personal code? Be my guest. My problem is when people hold themselves to a code someone else dictates for them based on fiction and fables.
And even worse when those people want to FORCE everyone else to live by the same code (see: government zealots).
Boy that sounds one hell of a lot like Unitarian Universalism. Seriously, I hate to be this guy, but did you really think that over all the thousands of years that us humans had been around, an idea like that hadn't occurred to anyone?
Also, you really might want to learn a bit about the bits and pieces of the religions you're adding in before you add them in. The Ten Commandments, for instance, is probably one of the worst codes of morality ever written. A sizable portion of it is devoted mostly to reminding followers that God is jealous and doesn't want you talking to any other Gods, and he'll kill you if you do (which, incidentally, would be exactly the opposite of what you're going for in a religion that's meshing multiple religions), and it has some surprising omissions. I mean, you'd think that the only ten rules in the entire bible so important that God wrote them himself would include laws like "don't rape, don't abuse children, don't commit genocide," etc... But I'm afraid those laws aren't there. Now don't get me wrong here, there are certainly parts of the bible that would mesh well with the Buddhist Eight Fold Path, for instance the words of Jesus, but the Ten Commandments are an objectively bad moral system.
To reiterate my earlier point, know what you're adding to your religion cocktail, before you gulp it down.
Also, you really might want to learn a bit about the bits and pieces of the religions you're adding in before you add them in. The Ten Commandments, for instance, is probably one of the worst codes of morality ever written. A sizable portion of it is devoted mostly to reminding followers that God is jealous and doesn't want you talking to any other Gods, and he'll kill you if you do (which, incidentally, would be exactly the opposite of what you're going for in a religion that's meshing multiple religions), and it has some surprising omissions. I mean, you'd think that the only ten rules in the entire bible so important that God wrote them himself would include laws like "don't rape, don't abuse children, don't commit genocide," etc... But I'm afraid those laws aren't there. Now don't get me wrong here, there are certainly parts of the bible that would mesh well with the Buddhist Eight Fold Path, for instance the words of Jesus, but the Ten Commandments are an objectively bad moral system.
To reiterate my earlier point, know what you're adding to your religion cocktail, before you gulp it down.
To be completely honest I wouldn't attend any church. Personal tendencies aside, I think it'd get alot of people incredibly annoyed and cause more trouble than it's worth.
I prefer to merely believe in myself :3
I believe in what I see, what I feel and what I choose to believe.
I tend to have atheistic views on life, and consider religion not neccesary for me personally.
I'm also a fan of the "As long as there are more then one person on this earth there will be a difference in opinion, choice, freedom and religion" therefor religions can never be fused together in my eyes.
Then again I do believe in past time (classical age, ~4000-2000 years ago) there might have been remnants of acutual 'living' gods, such as the Egyptian, Roman, Greek and Norse religions. The Egyptian had it sorted out quite nicely. The ruler was the living vessel of the gods, and every new generation was chosen by the god. Sound logic at the time. I find those gods of old somehow more acceptable then one allseeing and allknowing entity. Once again, this is a personal choice to believe.
But to remain on topic, no. I would not go to that church, or any church, synagoge, mosque or any other house of religion. For reasons I mentioned above, I chose to believe in myself rather to put my life and choices in the hands of an unseen deity. Plus I don't get into the heavy religion discussions people tend to vigorusly have around every corner of the internet or outside the internet.
Just my 2 cents & personal thoughts on religion and going to church
I believe in what I see, what I feel and what I choose to believe.
I tend to have atheistic views on life, and consider religion not neccesary for me personally.
I'm also a fan of the "As long as there are more then one person on this earth there will be a difference in opinion, choice, freedom and religion" therefor religions can never be fused together in my eyes.
Then again I do believe in past time (classical age, ~4000-2000 years ago) there might have been remnants of acutual 'living' gods, such as the Egyptian, Roman, Greek and Norse religions. The Egyptian had it sorted out quite nicely. The ruler was the living vessel of the gods, and every new generation was chosen by the god. Sound logic at the time. I find those gods of old somehow more acceptable then one allseeing and allknowing entity. Once again, this is a personal choice to believe.
But to remain on topic, no. I would not go to that church, or any church, synagoge, mosque or any other house of religion. For reasons I mentioned above, I chose to believe in myself rather to put my life and choices in the hands of an unseen deity. Plus I don't get into the heavy religion discussions people tend to vigorusly have around every corner of the internet or outside the internet.
Just my 2 cents & personal thoughts on religion and going to church
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that Unitarianism? I think someone beat you to it, but you're welcome to join them if you can find a Unitarian group somewhere.
Wouldn't be any worse than what religious people have done since religion was invented!A.C.E said:
Serious answer: no, only religious extremists kill people for not sharing beliefs.
I think the whole "don't rape" thing is covered by "You shall not commit adultery." The entire book of Leviticus is devoted to laws given to Moses by God, including laws covering rape, which was punished with death. Also, God commands the Isrealites to commit genocide.
"16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them?the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites?as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God" -Dueteronomy 20:16-18
"16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them?the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites?as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God" -Dueteronomy 20:16-18
Love to see so much honest input on this, even if a lot of it is negative. Think on this for a moment, from Jesus' sermon on the mount:
"The house of God if of you, and all about you. Turn a stone and I am there, split a log and you will find me."
Basically meaning, by offering your perspective on a spiritual idea in this thread, you've all attended my chruch already! hah!
Modern update, perhaps: Ping a server and there I am?
"The house of God if of you, and all about you. Turn a stone and I am there, split a log and you will find me."
Basically meaning, by offering your perspective on a spiritual idea in this thread, you've all attended my chruch already! hah!
Modern update, perhaps: Ping a server and there I am?
...Actually, if I'm understanding all your 10 dollar word correctly that's pretty much exactly what I'm going for. I want to keep away from 'magical thinking' in terms of divine beings or miracles or things of that nature. Honestly I can't understand how so many people can see things in those perspectives during such a scientifically advanced time as we are living in now.Imperator_DK said:
My personal belief is that God 'exists' sort of between the lines. In physics we know that when you break it down everything is just energy. Everything, they're even now starting to say that space isn't even 'empty' per-say because it has to have some form of energy simply to exist. We know that this energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. These facts to me are the essence of God.
I regularly marvel at the fact that life itself, as a whole, exists as something we as humans have never been able to replicate. It's perpetual motion, constantly building on it's self. The circle of life in my eyes isn't a circle, it's an upward spiral. I see this on a spiritual level as well. Whatever a soul is, whatever makes life life... It grows as we do, when we die... the same way our bodies decompose and feed the life around them our energy disperses and strengthens the universe at large with the knowledge and experience of our lives.
It's a bit like reincarnation, but on a universal level, not a unique consciousness that becomes a new life. I suppose that's all a pretty thick layer of God when I think about it at length, but I'd never push it on anyone else.