Poll: Would you date a transgendered person?

[MartianWarMachine]

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Yup. They should have asked first >.>

Can I ask, Is it because:

1.Don't think it matters
2.Don't think it will matter to them
3.Don't want to have to tell them
4.Don't think you should have to tell them

If its something other than what I mentioned, I'd like to know what, if you don't mind.

Just curious.

To me, it doesn't matter if someone's body doesn't match their brain. As long as they're nice, and can drag me away from the computer, that's all I ask for x3

And also I don't think that transpeople should have to tell people that they are transgendered. I think that everyone should inform people they plan to go out with if they have any prejudices.

I also think that I'm starting to ramble and go off-topic (possibly), and that I should probably leave this thread alone now, but will no doubt end up sticking around like glue and posting more >.<

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

Voted Yes/Desperate. Stipulation, is that she's like Erica from Catherine. Where you wouldn't know at first glance. So my friends who don't know her will be like, wow you did well.

http://catherinethegame.wikia.com/wiki/Erica_Anderson

Mind Blown. I thought it wasn't intentional the way the game made references to her being post op female. I thought it was just me or I mis-heard or mis-read.

 

[Ledan]

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Who are you to tell me what I am?
What kind of self righteous person are you?
I know deep within myself who I truly am, you dont even fucking know me, yet you tell me what you think I am, you disgust me.
You're the same type of entitled shit that told Blacks they werent people and that they never could be.

Vampires dont exist, and the word Genius means nothing, I'm talking about what I truly am on the inside, and you outright insult me by telling me I'm pretending?!

Fuck you, I'd rather keep this hatchet nice and raised, then bother wasting any more breath on you, you retch.

Yes, I think you're pretending to be something you're not. I find it amusing that you accuse me of judging you without knowing you, yet you judge me without knowing me either.
So I'm a racist bigot? Seems like you don't care about being right or wrong, you just want to fight and sling mud at people. So I could call you a slew of unpleasantries, but I'll settle for saying that you are not a good person and rather immature.
You aren't accepting the fact that you are male. What part of you was born wrong? There is no evidence for dualism in gender, no evidence for an "x" brain in a "y" body. Insult me as much as you want, but your argument is full of hot air.
You are a person, never said you weren't. You have full rights to do what you want with your body. You have full rights to not be discriminated against due to your modifications. I'd never take any of these away from you. I'd be your friend, if you were a good person (which as I've covered, you are not). But I wouldn't date you, and that's my right.
It is also my right to believe that you are deluded. Are you so insecure that you care about what opinion some random guy on the internet has about transgender people? It isn't an insult to you personally, it's just my belief about transgenders. I don't believe in a separation of gender and sex. Just like I don't believe in the soul. I don't care if you find either of those beliefs offensive. Of the two of us, you can't stand people having a different view from yours.
I've already reported you, you were aggressive from the moment you started posting in this thread, and in case you didn't know ad hominem attacks are prohibited on this site.

 

[artanis_neravar]

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I will still respond to your treatment of me as male, as if I were born female. I honestly dont give a fuck about your own gender bias, but I expect to be treated as a woman. I will treat you as a man, I expect the same respect.

Because you look like one? Then I demand to be treated like a vampire if I look like one. You haven't changed the fact that you are male. XY. Just like I havent changed myself from being human.

No, not because I look female, because I Identify as female, it is part of who I am. You disregarding that is the same as telling a gay person they're straight, you're not changing the truth, but attempting to ignore it.

And if I identify myself as a genius? Or vampire? Wouldn't make either of them true. You're still male. You may feel culturally more like a woman, but you will still be biologically male. I may concede to treat you like a woman/man, but you will never be just a woman. You'd be something new.
Anyways, how bout we bury the hatchet? Seems like we're not really going anywhere.

Who are you to tell me what I am?
What kind of self righteous person are you?
I know deep within myself who I truly am, you dont even fucking know me, yet you tell me what you think I am, you disgust me.
You're the same type of entitled shit that told Blacks they werent people and that they never could be.

Vampires dont exist, and the word Genius means nothing, I'm talking about what I truly am on the inside, and you outright insult me by telling me I'm pretending?!

Fuck you, I'd rather keep this hatchet nice and raised, then bother wasting any more breath on you, you retch.

If I change my last name to Sheen, have facial reconstruction surgery to make myself look like Charlie Sheen, and believe he is my father does that make me his son?

 

[MartianWarMachine]

If I change my last name to Sheen, have facial reconstruction surgery to make myself look like Charlie Sheen, and believe he is my father does that make me his son?

If he adopts you, then yes x3

 

[artanis_neravar]

If I change my last name to Sheen, have facial reconstruction surgery to make myself look like Charlie Sheen, and believe he is my father does that make me his son?

If he adopts you, then yes x3

XD That made me laugh, thank you

 

[Versuvius]

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Who are you to tell me what I am?
What kind of self righteous person are you?
I know deep within myself who I truly am, you dont even fucking know me, yet you tell me what you think I am, you disgust me.
You're the same type of entitled shit that told Blacks they werent people and that they never could be.

Vampires dont exist, and the word Genius means nothing, I'm talking about what I truly am on the inside, and you outright insult me by telling me I'm pretending?!

Fuck you, I'd rather keep this hatchet nice and raised, then bother wasting any more breath on you, you retch.

Yes, I think you're pretending to be something you're not. I find it amusing that you accuse me of judging you without knowing you, yet you judge me without knowing me either.
So I'm a racist bigot? Seems like you don't care about being right or wrong, you just want to fight and sling mud at people. So I could call you a slew of unpleasantries, but I'll settle for saying that you are not a good person and rather immature.
You aren't accepting the fact that you are male. What part of you was born wrong? There is no evidence for dualism in gender, no evidence for an "x" brain in a "y" body. Insult me as much as you want, but your argument is full of hot air.
You are a person, never said you weren't. You have full rights to do what you want with your body. You have full rights to not be discriminated against due to your modifications. I'd never take any of these away from you. I'd be your friend, if you were a good person (which as I've covered, you are not). But I wouldn't date you, and that's my right.
It is also my right to believe that you are deluded. Are you so insecure that you care about what opinion some random guy on the internet has about transgender people? It isn't an insult to you personally, it's just my belief about transgenders. I don't believe in a separation of gender and sex. Just like I don't believe in the soul. I don't care if you find either of those beliefs offensive. Of the two of us, you can't stand people having a different view from yours.
I've already reported you, you were aggressive from the moment you started posting in this thread, and in case you didn't know ad hominem attacks are prohibited on this site.

Gender duality doesn't exist but theres a sliding scale of masculine and femenine which can be considered a ratio. It's like saying gay people are just lying to themselves about what they are and pretending. Indeed it appears you can't stand anyone having a different view from yours, and you are being immature, inconsiderate and obnoxious. What you accused Montezuma's Lawyer of doing is exactly what you just did, making everything you have said as invalid as anything else. I may disagree or have my own views, but i am neither gay or a transgender, and i expect neither are you, nor have you done any serious scientific study into the area, in neurology or i expect biology deeper than photosynthesis. Biology is an interesting thing as there is no defined rule for anything that is absolyte and exceptions always exist, right down to the ratio of various hormones that control gender and how the mind is wired for gender. If a man undergoes the operation and lives a much happier, fuller life how they want...how can you call them out on it and call them false pretenders and not be offensive? You are the kind of person that propagates your bullshit Black and White argument with people who agree with your argument, it's called LikeThink and it doesn't make it any less Bullshit. Enjoy the utter contempt anybody who isn't a bigot will look at you with.

 

[00slash00]

Do you think it's morally sound to enter into a relationship with someone and not telling them that you weren't born as your current gender?

Yup. They should have asked first >.>

i disagree. as a pre-op trans lesbian, i would want to be upfront with my partner. being transgender is still something that a lot of people have a problem with or dont understand. i would expect that, if my partner cared about me, she would be accepting of who i am. however, out of respect for her, it is not something i would want to keep from her. and if she is the type of person that wouldnt accept a transgender person, id rather know that sooner than later

 

[peruvianskys]

You aren't accepting the fact that you are male. What part of you was born wrong? There is no evidence for dualism in gender, no evidence for an "x" brain in a "y" body. Insult me as much as you want, but your argument is full of hot air.

There's very little evidence for a neurophysical base for gender at all. A transwoman is not really saying "I am a woman in a man's body," although that may be an easy way to explain it, but instead saying, "I am a human being who identifies with the social construct of a gender not normally associated with my biological sex." Sex is a quantifiable and objective concept; gender is social.

Saying "I don't believe in a male brain being born in a female body" is like saying "I don't believe in a Muslim brain being born in a white body." You're making the mistake of pairing up a social concept and a physical descriptor.

It is also my right to believe that you are deluded. Are you so insecure that you care about what opinion some random guy on the internet has about transgender people?

Well it's not hard to see why a transperson would be a little insecure, when there are people belittling and diminishing them at every turn.

It isn't an insult to you personally, it's just my belief about transgenders. I don't believe in a separation of gender and sex. Just like I don't believe in the soul.

You have a right to believe that but it's not scientifically correct. I have the right to believe that black people are evolutionarily lesser beings than white people but it's not true and it's a toxic belief that both white and black people have an interest in correcting. In the same way, both trans and a lot of cis people are probably going to be less than happy when you try and claim that it's morally neutral to spreading an unreasonable and insensitive opinion. Don't be surprised if you're attacked.

 

[MartianWarMachine]

Do you think it's morally sound to enter into a relationship with someone and not telling them that you weren't born as your current gender?

Yup. They should have asked first >.>

i disagree. as a pre-op trans lesbian, i would want to be upfront with my partner. being transgender is still something that a lot of people have a problem with or dont understand. i would expect that, if my partner cared about me, she would be accepting of who i am. however, out of respect for her, it is not something i would want to keep from her. and if she is the type of person that wouldnt accept a transgender person, id rather know that sooner than later

Oh, okay. Sorry =(

 

[00slash00]

Do you think it's morally sound to enter into a relationship with someone and not telling them that you weren't born as your current gender?

Yup. They should have asked first >.>

i disagree. as a pre-op trans lesbian, i would want to be upfront with my partner. being transgender is still something that a lot of people have a problem with or dont understand. i would expect that, if my partner cared about me, she would be accepting of who i am. however, out of respect for her, it is not something i would want to keep from her. and if she is the type of person that wouldnt accept a transgender person, id rather know that sooner than later

Oh, okay. Sorry =(

nothing to be sorry about, just a difference of opinions. i understand your stance, that its not something anyone should have a problem with so there should be no reason to bring it up (at least thats what i assume youre saying) and i agree with that completely. i was just saying that, because a lot of people are less reasonable and accepting than you are, i feel that i should be more upfront about who i am, rather than risking them finding out later and possibly freaking out

 

[MartianWarMachine]

Do you think it's morally sound to enter into a relationship with someone and not telling them that you weren't born as your current gender?

Yup. They should have asked first >.>

i disagree. as a pre-op trans lesbian, i would want to be upfront with my partner. being transgender is still something that a lot of people have a problem with or dont understand. i would expect that, if my partner cared about me, she would be accepting of who i am. however, out of respect for her, it is not something i would want to keep from her. and if she is the type of person that wouldnt accept a transgender person, id rather know that sooner than later

Oh, okay. Sorry =(

nothing to be sorry about, just a difference of opinions. i understand your stance, that its not something anyone should have a problem with so there should be no reason to bring it up (at least thats what i assume youre saying) and i agree with that completely. i was just saying that, because a lot of people are less reasonable and accepting than you are, i feel that i should be more upfront about who i am, rather than risking them finding out later and possibly freaking out

So... does that mean I'm not wrong?

Yep, that's what I'm trying to say =3

Then I shall have to MAKE them more reasonable and accepting! With fire! And blackjack, and hookers! ...No, wait...

Oh, I see =3

*Hopes this is not an unintelligeble mess =S*

 

[Montezuma's Lawyer]

They just need to figure out what is causing people to be attracted to the wrong gender and fix it already so we can stop having all these stupid discussions and actually do something worthwhile with our time and money.[/quote]

You claim that homosexuality ( I assume this is what you mean by "wrong gender.") is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Any argument you make here will be tainted with this, Sorry but the world simply does not need bigots like you.

 

[Montezuma's Lawyer]

It always strikes me as a bit odd when people claim that if they date someone without knowing they are trans, they've somehow been tricked, like it's the transpersons moral duty to reveal something very private and personal about themselves just to ensure they don't offend the person they're dating.

It's no different than I think a married guy should tell me he is married before he starts dating me so I can make an informed choice. The same with someone with an STD (especially the fun ones that never go away like herpes and AIDS)

Having sex with a married man, and a man with AIDS are two VERY different things.

You can move on after sex with a Transgendered person, you Cannot move on from AIDS.

These are two Horribly different circumstances, and I'm sick of this nonsensical argument.

 

[VoEC]

Do you think it's morally sound to enter into a relationship with someone and not telling them that you weren't born as your current gender?

Yup. They should have asked first >.>

i disagree. as a pre-op trans lesbian, i would want to be upfront with my partner. being transgender is still something that a lot of people have a problem with or dont understand. i would expect that, if my partner cared about me, she would be accepting of who i am. however, out of respect for her, it is not something i would want to keep from her. and if she is the type of person that wouldnt accept a transgender person, id rather know that sooner than later

Oh, okay. Sorry =(

nothing to be sorry about, just a difference of opinions. i understand your stance, that its not something anyone should have a problem with so there should be no reason to bring it up (at least thats what i assume youre saying) and i agree with that completely. i was just saying that, because a lot of people are less reasonable and accepting than you are, i feel that i should be more upfront about who i am, rather than risking them finding out later and possibly freaking out

On top of that, if the person for some reason has something against trans people / doesn't want to date one or goes "Ewww!" as soon as you mention it, you really don't want to be in a relationship with that person, do you?

 

[artanis_neravar]

It always strikes me as a bit odd when people claim that if they date someone without knowing they are trans, they've somehow been tricked, like it's the transpersons moral duty to reveal something very private and personal about themselves just to ensure they don't offend the person they're dating.

It's no different than I think a married guy should tell me he is married before he starts dating me so I can make an informed choice. The same with someone with an STD (especially the fun ones that never go away like herpes and AIDS)

Having sex with a married man, and a man with AIDS are two VERY different things.

You can move on after sex with a Transgendered person, you Cannot move on from AIDS.

These are two Horribly different circumstances, and I'm sick of this nonsensical argument.

You ignored the primary argument and focused on the after thought. Why didn't you respond to their main point?