What could we possibly need more babies for? To replace ourselves? Why do we need to replace ourselves? We don't have the resources to take care of the people we have now without a complete restructuring of how we live. And since we aren't willing to commit to that as a species, we should limit birth rates drastically.JoJo said:We don't have excess live young, at-least not in the west, with our falling birth rates we need every baby we can get!Aramis Night said:I prefer the option of our own excess live young. Seems like a better option than eating our own excrement or bugs.somonels said:Yes, please let it be that way! The alternative would be either bugs, which is still okay, but the third option would be to produce meat from our feces salvaged from the sewage.
OT: No real problems with vitro meat, as long as it tastes good and is cost-effective. Hell, they could grow meat from animals that aren't usually farmed for environmental, traditional or economic reasons... who's up for Elephant burger?
Babies are barely conscious when they are born so that's hardly an issue, however limiting birth rates drastically would be a terrible move. We need young workers to support our economy and pay our pensions in our old age, or do you want to keep on working until you literally drop dead?Aramis Night said:What could we possibly need more babies for? To replace ourselves? Why do we need to replace ourselves? We don't have the resources to take care of the people we have now without a complete restructuring of how we live. And since we aren't willing to commit to that as a species, we should limit birth rates drastically.JoJo said:We don't have excess live young, at-least not in the west, with our falling birth rates we need every baby we can get!Aramis Night said:I prefer the option of our own excess live young. Seems like a better option than eating our own excrement or bugs.somonels said:Yes, please let it be that way! The alternative would be either bugs, which is still okay, but the third option would be to produce meat from our feces salvaged from the sewage.
OT: No real problems with vitro meat, as long as it tastes good and is cost-effective. Hell, they could grow meat from animals that aren't usually farmed for environmental, traditional or economic reasons... who's up for Elephant burger?
At least by cannibalizing our young we make them a resource rather than a drain on the rest of our resources. Preferably by harvesting them in the womb before they gain consciousness(i'm not cruel).
Iron deficiency or something else?Moonlight Butterfly said:I can't be a vegetarian for medical reasons
Which manifests as muscle fiber, concentrations of fat, and a few other physical/chemical attributes that, while not simple, are probably not far beyond the current reach of the technology. So, if they did recreate those flavors, would you eat it then?Wadders said:Nope, Surely it cant be as good as real meat? What makes good meat good is the fact that its been part of a real animal, working the muscles and body parts you eat, for all of its life, and living off decent food.
Why not have people pay for their own pensions like they are supposed to. Why choose instead to be parasites to the younger generation. A healthy economy is based on trade of goods and services. You only need 2 people for that. Not 8+ billion.JoJo said:Babies are barely conscious when they are born so that's hardly an issue, however limiting birth rates drastically would be a terrible move. We need young workers to support our economy and pay our pensions in our old age, or do you want to keep on working until you literally drop dead?Aramis Night said:What could we possibly need more babies for? To replace ourselves? Why do we need to replace ourselves? We don't have the resources to take care of the people we have now without a complete restructuring of how we live. And since we aren't willing to commit to that as a species, we should limit birth rates drastically.JoJo said:We don't have excess live young, at-least not in the west, with our falling birth rates we need every baby we can get!Aramis Night said:I prefer the option of our own excess live young. Seems like a better option than eating our own excrement or bugs.somonels said:Yes, please let it be that way! The alternative would be either bugs, which is still okay, but the third option would be to produce meat from our feces salvaged from the sewage.
OT: No real problems with vitro meat, as long as it tastes good and is cost-effective. Hell, they could grow meat from animals that aren't usually farmed for environmental, traditional or economic reasons... who's up for Elephant burger?
At least by cannibalizing our young we make them a resource rather than a drain on the rest of our resources. Preferably by harvesting them in the womb before they gain consciousness(i'm not cruel).
I know this sounds like a cop out, but I'm not entirely sure.McMullen said:Which manifests as muscle fiber, concentrations of fat, and a few other physical/chemical attributes that, while not simple, are probably not far beyond the current reach of the technology. So, if they did recreate those flavors, would you eat it then?Wadders said:Nope, Surely it cant be as good as real meat? What makes good meat good is the fact that its been part of a real animal, working the muscles and body parts you eat, for all of its life, and living off decent food.
1. You don't understand how pensions work (or what they are for that matter) if you think people don't pay for their own pensions.Aramis Night said:Why not have people pay for their own pensions like they are supposed to. Why choose instead to be parasites to the younger generation. A healthy economy is based on trade of goods and services. You only need 2 people for that. Not 8+ billion.JoJo said:Babies are barely conscious when they are born so that's hardly an issue, however limiting birth rates drastically would be a terrible move. We need young workers to support our economy and pay our pensions in our old age, or do you want to keep on working until you literally drop dead?Aramis Night said:What could we possibly need more babies for? To replace ourselves? Why do we need to replace ourselves? We don't have the resources to take care of the people we have now without a complete restructuring of how we live. And since we aren't willing to commit to that as a species, we should limit birth rates drastically.JoJo said:We don't have excess live young, at-least not in the west, with our falling birth rates we need every baby we can get!Aramis Night said:I prefer the option of our own excess live young. Seems like a better option than eating our own excrement or bugs.somonels said:Yes, please let it be that way! The alternative would be either bugs, which is still okay, but the third option would be to produce meat from our feces salvaged from the sewage.
OT: No real problems with vitro meat, as long as it tastes good and is cost-effective. Hell, they could grow meat from animals that aren't usually farmed for environmental, traditional or economic reasons... who's up for Elephant burger?
At least by cannibalizing our young we make them a resource rather than a drain on the rest of our resources. Preferably by harvesting them in the womb before they gain consciousness(i'm not cruel).
As for working till we drop dead. That is what the vast majority of people did throughout history and many people across the world still do. I'd venture to guess most people in fact, assuming they are able to get employment at all since now they have to compete against 8+ billion other people for a job. It seems like an incredibly entitled attitude to believe that you should not have to work to support yourself your whole life.
How is that messed up? There's nothing inherently evil about eating a certain type of meat. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it wrong. That's the same kind of argument a lot of people use to stop homosexuals from getting married.wombat_of_war said:someone is going to take this to an extreme though "its not canibalism if its not directly from any human being", etc never underestimate the human capacity to do messed up shit just because they can.