Poll: Would you find a male Bayonetta "uncomfortable"?
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What many people don't know is that Bayonetta's female designer designed her specifically to be over-the-top sexualized. That's the point.
But no, I'm not bothered by any amount of anything reality to sexuality.
But no, I'm not bothered by any amount of anything reality to sexuality.
Look at the examples in the OP and their wording. I'm pretty sure that they're not saying "Imagine a male character who has a profession that Bayonetta could plausibly have given her actions and presentation." They're saying imagine a male character that was portrayed in a similarly overtly sexual manner as Bayonetta.Dreiko said:The Almighty Aardvark said:Right, because from a cursory glance it's just teeming with male sexualizationDreiko said:
Good god, CLOTHE YOURSELF MAN!
In Killer is Dead you play as a Gigolo (male prostitute).
This thread was about playing as a male Bayonetta, not about playing a game with "male sexualization" or one "without female sexualization". Just about the protagonist being the male equivalent of Bayonetta and she is basically a stripper/pole dancer who can also fight super awesomely.
That the look of a male prostitute is more modest than that of a female one doesn't have anything to do with the substance of playing as the basic equivalent of Bayonetta in that game. What you're basically doing here is moving the goal post to a different subject, one about female sexualization rather than one about players feeling comfortable playing as a male Bayonetta-like protagonist.
Even though he's a male prostitute, I see nothing resembling Bayonetta's overt sexuality in any of the images or videos I'm finding of that game. Well... from the main character at least. I could buy it if you were referring to any number of the female characters in it.
I JUST EFFING LOVE THIS GUY, lol. If he was a protagonist, I sure would love to play as him. That, or Jojo. Not uncomfortable in the least.Asita said:
Because honestly, I liked that guy and the implication that such a character would make me uncomfortable honestly confuses me.
I think the fact that so many people would find it hilarious is telling. The sexualization of women in media is pretty ridiculous (hence the ridicule.) The not-so-funny part is that a great many people don't find it so absurd.
You already have it actually, it's just that men convey sexuality different than women do in terms of what they present and how they go about doing it. Indeed it's been going on for a long time, and it's exactly what real feminism which is now called "first wave" feminism by those who want to redefine it so they can call themselves feminists without being criticized was all about. The idea that men could be sexually aggressive and suggestive for a long time, but women could not, in a lot of respects Bayonetta is perhaps the most feminist character created in video gaming that I know of.wulf3n said:So I was just watching Good Game (an Australian video game review show) and they reviewed Bayonetta.
During the review one of the reviewers said something along the lines of:
To which I thought, yes I would feel the same way...
Things like
Don't bother me any more than Bayonetta crotch shots.
Now obviously those are parodies, so not the same thing, and also being the exception rather than the rule means a true equivalence has yet to be reached to truly gauge ones reaction, however I still don't think it would phase me.
That being said I'm also an abhorrent freak of nature, so what I feel is often somewhat of an anomaly, as such I'm curious...
Are there really that many men out there that would find this type of stuff uncomfortable?
edit: Really escapist? what's up with the 10 character option limit?Ruined my joke.
The big problem with guys in the same style as Bayonetta is of course political correctness and liberal media control. See her male counterpart exists, his name is "Duke Nukem", Duke is pretty much a walking farce of exaggerated male sexuality who wears these muscle-revealing tank tops and such with a macho build that goes beyond reality. He runs around handling and scoring with babes left and right, and it's been integrated into the video game. He also has the same kind of cocky attitude "I'm loving this, and nobody can touch me, because I'm that good" attitude as Bayonetta. On the other hand other than his last game sucking, the character of Duke Nukem was attacked by left leaning gaming media relentlessly for being pretty much what we're talking about here.
Also imagine the reaction by liberals if someone actually made a game featuring a Duke Nukem-type dude who got into the same kind of fetish material as Bayonetta. Envision a game where you say play as some male dominator type, running around in a leather master suit, who runs around doing attacks that involve him torturing female opponents to death with summoned BDSM toys. You know, pretty much what Bayonetta does to dudes. The liberal outcry would be beyond anything we've seen before, because consistency isn't really it's strong suit, and this kind of problem is exactly why so many people are upset with the leftward leaning spin of those who cover nerd culture and the corruption that comes with pushing that political agenda, it's a major focus of Gamersgate. Basically in a world where your going to have a Jihad of Social Justice Warriors over a trailer for an over the top game where Agent 47 kills a bunch of heavily armed female mercenaries in fetish costumes, your just not going to see the male Bayonetta, to even consider it, gaming culture, or at least the vocal part of it, needs to be evened out to the point where you don't see the logic that "Strong female characters that brutalize guys are great, strong male characters that do the same to women are not", even within the fantastic context of video games the idea is that this is some kind of backhanded attack on women or catering to misogyny.
As far as guys running around with their junk hanging out it all depends on the portrayal and how it's done. Over the years I've actually seen things like mods for FPS games that replace your gun with a giant penis on the bottom of the screen and launch cum blobs at your enemies. When your going for over the top presentation, you can do a lot. To be honest with you if they decided to release a Bayonetta/Devil May Cry game where the hero is say a male S&M themed tantric master who uses his sex magic to wield his penis as a weapon and runs around cock slapping and cum-blasting opponents to death in back flipping around and enlarging his member to gigantic and various shapes, it would probably at least become a cult classic. Of course to be equivalent to Bayonetta he'd largely be fighting women (as opposed to me) with a few exceptions, and as I said... assuming you could get this passed, you'd have guys like Bob Chipman and almost everyone in the game industry screaming bloody murder the first time they saw this dude beat a girl to death with his junk. It's okay when a girl like Bayonetta does the reverse equivalent as far as they are concerned, but this wouldn't be okay, which is why the male versions of Bayonetta don't go as far.
Such are my thoughts, I might have time to check back in on the forums later tonight (not sure).
Well. Someone hasn't played DMC 3.
But, what others have said, that's just basically Dante. Though, he doesn't have the advantage of his special attacks warping his clothes into demons and leaving him nude. So it doesn't equalize too much, however if he did. Meh, whatever.
But, what others have said, that's just basically Dante. Though, he doesn't have the advantage of his special attacks warping his clothes into demons and leaving him nude. So it doesn't equalize too much, however if he did. Meh, whatever.
By about half way through this threat the images had pretty much stolen any of my attention from any sort of discussion that was being had.CharrHearted said:wait a male bayone-
OH MY GENTLE JESUS, TAKE ME NOW! I WOULD BANG THAT IN A SECOND!
then I saw this one.
and it won.
It would make me highly uncomfortable to know it did not exist or that something might happen to it.
I need to play as him and also see his legs.
He still is about as close as you can get to a male Bayonetta without copyright infringement though. It just so happens that gigolos have a different style.The Almighty Aardvark said:Look at the examples in the OP and their wording. I'm pretty sure that they're not saying "Imagine a male character who has a profession that Bayonetta could plausibly have given her actions and presentation." They're saying imagine a male character that was portrayed in a similarly overtly sexual manner as Bayonetta.Dreiko said:The Almighty Aardvark said:Right, because from a cursory glance it's just teeming with male sexualizationDreiko said:
Good god, CLOTHE YOURSELF MAN!
In Killer is Dead you play as a Gigolo (male prostitute).
This thread was about playing as a male Bayonetta, not about playing a game with "male sexualization" or one "without female sexualization". Just about the protagonist being the male equivalent of Bayonetta and she is basically a stripper/pole dancer who can also fight super awesomely.
That the look of a male prostitute is more modest than that of a female one doesn't have anything to do with the substance of playing as the basic equivalent of Bayonetta in that game. What you're basically doing here is moving the goal post to a different subject, one about female sexualization rather than one about players feeling comfortable playing as a male Bayonetta-like protagonist.
Even though he's a male prostitute, I see nothing resembling Bayonetta's overt sexuality in any of the images or videos I'm finding of that game. Well... from the main character at least. I could buy it if you were referring to any number of the female characters in it.
If you want to imagine a char portrayed in such a manner, how bout Trevor in GTA5? He's naked or in dresses or sleeping with everything he can find for most of the game.
No, I find things like that to be hilarious. I do not think I'm alone either, look at games like GTA online and Saints Row 3/4. How many gameplay videos and screenshots do you see of absurd looking cross dressers or characters running around in banana hammocks, or mods for Skyrim like "The Schlongs of Skyrim".
Sure not every guy is comfortable but there is enough evidence, some of it entirely fan created that lots of men find that stuff funny and/or appealing.
Sure not every guy is comfortable but there is enough evidence, some of it entirely fan created that lots of men find that stuff funny and/or appealing.