Poll: Would you play as a truly appalling person in a game?

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Olas

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WOW! When I first clicked on this thread it said there were 143 pages of comments and I lost my shit thinking this thread had turned into some sort of unimaginably epic warzone. Then I refreshed the page and it turns out it was only 3 pages. Damn glitchy Escapist.

OT; No, I don't think I could, not unless the game was comedic and none of it was in any way meant to be taken seriously. I identify with my player as if we're the same person and if the player (aka me) is doing something I can't emotionally or ethically understand or connect with it feels wrong and I find myself resenting the game for forcing me to make decisions I don't agree with.

I'm fine and even enjoy morally gray characters, or making tough moral decisions. But playing someone who willfully rapes and murders without guilt? No way. That's just not relatable.
 

bartholen_v1legacy

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We all know the answer: A massive "Maybe" with a hefty dose of "it depends".

There's just so many variables it's impossible to pin it down. Do we see the acts committed? Are they gameplay or cutscene or merely text? Do we have a choice to refrain from doing them? Do we know what kind of person this character is from the start? Is the game trying to be serious? How detailed are the graphics? How central are these acts to the game's narrative if there is one?
 

Mr.Squishy

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Huh? What? I've already played God of War, mate.
Going from just the thread title alone for shits and giggles, here
 

Dunwich

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games with characters like those exist tho mostly in horror games, silent hill has some pretty detestable protagonists and so did amnesia and i think the chinese room one did as well.
 

Chemical Alia

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No, I don't think I would ever do that. When I play games, I like having the option to be the nicest and honest person possible, anything else just feels wrong to me because I am lame like that.
 

Therumancer

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verdant monkai said:
I'm not talking like GTA's Trevor Phillips level of evil, where they have no problem with torture and casually murder people. I'm talking about someone who is a literal piece of filth. Someone who:-

1.Is a sadist in every sense of the word
2.Will steal from the very poor
3.Rapes people
4.Kills children
5.Would prefer to leave an enemy to die broken and mutilated rather than finish them off.
6.Is manipulative and willing to exploit the earnest and unaware.

Basically would you be interested in playing as a person who is almost everything that is wrong with humanity? I'm sure some would like the "it depends" option, so lets say that the character does all six of those things. Would you still be able to play the game? I'm not saying you'd have to be comfortable whilst doing so.

Personally I'd be very interested to. Gaming is a good medium to explore such a dark theme. For example you wouldn't have to put any child actors through anything questionable to get footage. And actors wouldn't be reluctant to sign up to have their image used in an unpleasant way. But I can easily see why people would be offended by the idea.

What do you guys think?
Well, strictly speaking other than the rape your pretty much looking at typical PC behavior in a lot of games. In say "Fallout" your typical player will do almost all of the above, especially Fallout 2 where you can still target children. Indeed in most RPGs in general your pretty much encouraged to go through everyone's houses, and use pick pocketing (regardless of social status) to literally suck every coin out of a town. When it comes to sadism, well a
lot of games encourage things like "nut shots" and the like.

The thing is though that most people really just don't think about it when they are doing this stuff, or if they do they find it mildly amusing to be over the top malevolent.

Indeed that kind of detachment among gamers kind of what this video is about (which makes me laugh even years later):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g

I mean seriously, stop and think about some of the stuff you've done in video games in the past, whether it's suspending some poor schmuck in the air and punting them with lift and throw to see how far the enemy can fly in Mass Effect, to aiming for the nuts for respect in Saints Row (for that matter.... Saint's Row probably has the most gleefully sociopathic protagonist ever), or running over pedestrians with a tank for achievements in Prototype as you travel from place to place... well... I think it's a better question to ask how many people don't occasionally act malevolent in these games. For example look at people's "Red, Dead, Redemption" achievements, you'll find nearly everyone has one for tying up a woman, and throwing her on the train tracks to be run over by a train. Oh sure in my case I did it to one of the girls who helped with a stick up trap for me, but it's still pretty sadistic (and the whole thing is basically a joke about Dudley Do Right and it's villain Snively Whiplash's favorite trick).
 

Mersadeon

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I will and I have. it really depends though. I can't STAND GTA5 at all, I could never play it. Why? Because not only are those people assholes, they are dicks without logic behind it and they aren't funny at all.

Let's take Kratos. He's a monumental douchenozzle. But at least he gets to do some awesome stuff and sometimes he even gets to say some dry, witty stuff.

Oh, I also played Spec Ops: The Line. So yeah, I do play as horrible people. I felt dirty afterwards. I still kinda do.

Oftentimes, it's about the gameplay. If it's good, I don't need a story. But if it is about the story... you better give that dick a reason to be one. Some principle to go on. You know, if you have to have an evil protagonist, make him Lawful Evil or something.
 

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I have, though it honestly depends. My favorite by far is Hazama from Blazblue. Just listen to endless despair with the la vocals and it pretty much sums the guy up. he's killed countless people had jin cut ragnas arm off and he stole their sister to have her become the vessel of the imperator. he's an overall sadist and a worthy villain to hate. he spends the entire game trolling you only for you to realize that he's using your hate for him to fuel his existence. he exists because of your hate, that pisses you off even more.

I guess the point is that it has to be done really well. he's a crazy psychotic sadist but he's also a bad ass. his voice actor also happens to be the voice of accelerator (jpn).
 

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I would like to but it all depends on context I guess. Postal seems to be the closest thing to a game that lets you play as an absolute cretin but I have yet to play that. I would prefer to be an ass in games that want you to play nice though since I see that as being funnier. It'll never happen though...you can't even kill kids in games anymore without a MOD.
 

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SimpleThunda said:
As long as there's somekind of reason behind it.

Having a character be a monster of a person "because reasons" or "because mommy and daddy died" is bad writing.

Give the character, ahem, some character.

If there's actual deep reasons behind his or her ways, I could play it.

Though, I don't want to play any torture or torture-ish scenes.

I hate that shit. Whenever I see torture I want to jump through the screen and start bearmauling people.
Then you will hate a scene in Burial at Sea. Are you familiar with transorbital labotomy?
 

white_wolf

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No I would avoid that series if such a hero existed OP if they were predetermined it's not appealing. If they place me into a prescripted situation like they called me to rape someone on or off screen to continue the plot I'd say no completely and the rare game that has my character torturing people I'm like make it stop like Joel in TLOU but oddly I find it ok to have me the player get tortured for plot progression because then its the hero persevering rather then the hero sinks into depravity and becomes like (or worse then) the villain.

But if its an rpg or I get choices during gameplay that let me do those thing or I could be the polar opposite of that arch type that would be better, I have played sleeping dogs and some of the deaths you can create for the npcs are massively brutal and BSI is cruel if you use the saw but all the traits you highlighted aren't contained into one protagonist character (maybe GTA5 but I haven't played that).
 

MammothBlade

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Yes, it's what I've been looking for all this time. No more pretend evil, "bahaha I'm the bad guy because I do slightly cruel things!" Full blown evil, nasty person stuff, would be interesting.

But, it's different being truly appalling, and just being evil. Being appalling would make them disgusting, without any of the charm or intelligence of Hannibal Lecter. If it's just being stupid, ugly, and evil, then nah. If they make evil look cool, despite doing some truly despicable things, go for it.
 

LadyLightning

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Megawat22 said:
We have games where you can play these kinds of characters already don't we? Generally they're the RPGs with dialogue choices but they still exist to an extent (not the child raping though, I doubt any AAA dev would touch that subject with a 20ft pole).
I mean in TellTale's Walking Dead I brutally murdered several people, stole, left others for dead and I'm sure I even used people for my own purposes at points. Hell I even checked the sadistic box when I gloated about killing a man's family after beating him to a pulp.
When I write it out like that it makes my Lee seem like some kind of psychopath, but when I was playing I had a reason for doing all those actions and generally felt justified in doing them. When I was playing I wasn't playing as a psycho who kills for fun, I was playing as a survivalist, who knew that the world had changed and you had to do some grim stuff to survive.
So as I said, we have these kinds of games already, it's just that they tend to be written in ways that allow us to justify our actions and make them seem realistic, or they're done poorly and come off as comedically bad (or just distasteful).
Sorry, I'm sure it wasn't intended, but I had to point that one out. Please proceed to the back of Line C-5 for your punishment. :x

On-topic? I'd love if there were more games that starred an evil protagonist, especially an evil protagonist that you could create. But I also agree with those who posted above me, that it would be rather worthless for a game to spit out more 'evil for evil's sake' drek. Evil characters should be believably so, especially if they're the protagonist, otherwise we'd have yet another worthless GTA game with shitty writing.

A character like Kefka, perhaps.

1.) He's obviously a sadist, as we saw at Doma when he condemned an entire castle full of innocent people to a painful death by poison for the sake of mere expediency.

2.) He's the brains behind an empire that keeps the populace in constant poverty. Every town in Final Fantasy VI is full of people who can barely make a living if it weren't for the fact that a group of adventurers just ~happened~ to stroll into town carrying hundreds of thousands of gil and actually spend half of it. He does worse than steal from the poor.

3.) I'm not sure if it's common knowledge, but according to modern criminology, rape is not actually about the sex. Rapists commit their crime because it makes them feel powerful, to have another person at their mercy and deprive them of their free will. It's a terrible crime that causes severe psychological damage in its victims. I would venture to say that both Terra and Celes count as Kefka's rape victims, even though he never touched either of them sexually.

Terra had her freedoms stripped away through the slave crown that Kefka forced her to wear, and made her commit terrible war crimes which she was powerless to disobey until that chance encounter with the frozen Esper knocked the crown off her head.

Celes was bred in a laboratory by Kefka's magitek engineer, Cid. She was the product of a eugenics experiment, and she was literally born to kill people with magic at Kefka's command. Kefka's hold on her wasn't literal mind control magic like it was with Terra, but rather by conditioning throughout her childhood, where she was deprived of the choice to be who she wanted, until one person, Locke, cared enough to make her feel like she was a worthwhile human being.

4.) Cyan had a wife and child in Doma who died when Kefka poisoned the water supply. He committed genocide of the Esper race, killing them and harvesting their magicite to power his war machines. Among those Espers were likely plenty who were considered to be children among Esper society.

5.) After he messed up the statues and became the God of Chaos and Destruction, he blasted the everliving shit out of the heroes and flung them off of a floating island to crash down to the earth below, which was then wracked with such explosive force that the entire geography of the world was altered, and Balance turned to Ruin. He left the heroes for dead, either assuming that they already were, or that they would soon bleed to death if not. Either way, he was a god now, so what did he care? His plans were complete. It came back to bite him in the ass later, obviously, because the heroes ~did~ survive and eventually defeated him, but many of them were unconscious for weeks, Celes was even in a coma for months due to her injuries, and would have died had she not been found and cared for.

6.) Kefka was also very manipulative, and used people for his own personal gain all the time. He certainly used Terra and Celes, he even manipulated Emperor Gestahl and eventually supplanted him, if not in name then certainly in terms of influence. Remember, Kefka controlled the Empire's armies. Kefka controlled the magitek research facility, where he was building his own army of magic mechs, mutated monsters that were half-beast and half-machine, and the conditioned, manipulated Celes to lead them all into battle.

The only real shame is that we don't get to see what kind of person Kefka was ~before~ the events of Final Fantasy VI. What made him become this way? We're really only left with the obvious answer: ambitions of power and the spark of insanity.

The game that I would love to see would be "Final Fantasy VI: The Years Before" (totally a shout out to Final Fantasy IV: The After Years - I like that title), where we get to see what made Kefka into the apalling, horrible man he is in Final Fantasy VI, through his own eyes. The only problem would be that I don't really trust modern Square-Enix to do a game like that without fucking it up.