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This. Powers only go so far, personality, supporting cast, lore, these are what give a character legs. Also, nice choice on The Question.
Poll: Would You Say Aquaman Is No Longer Considered Lame?
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This. Powers only go so far, personality, supporting cast, lore, these are what give a character legs. Also, nice choice on The Question.
I'd recommend The Brave and the Bold to anyone with a heart to feel. But yes, in your situation I would recommend it. Brave and the Bold is actually exactly what I tried to watch after Dawn of Justice murder all the joy in my soul, but Netflix had discontinued it so I had to 'settle' for Justice League.Chimpzy said:Would you recommend Batman BATB to someone who saw BatmanvSuperman for the first time yesterday and found it an overly dour and rather boring affair?AccursedTheory said:No, he means...
The 100% capitalization, exclamation mark, and smile are what sell it.
Because what I've seen from it so far in this thread, it looks like it might be exactly what I need right now. Also, recommendations for especially fabulous episodes would be much appreciated.
Basically, Brave and the Bold is a return to the silliest DC comics you can think of. Batman remains serious, like he always is, but he uses the language of the old Adam West Batman, 'fiend' this and 'gloriously silly description' that. Batman also functions as the straight man for pretty much everyone else, who are all silly and fun, and Aquaman is the ultimate silly character.
As for particular episodes, the most obvious one to check out is Mayhem of the Music Meister!
The episode is basically a broadway musical, pitting Batman and Black Canary against the Music Meister, a villain who can control people's mind by singing, voiced/sung by Neil Patrick Harris. It's basically the entire series, distilled into one episode.
Besides that, all the episodes are glorious. Here's the Aquaman heavy episodes (I have probably forgotten a few).
Evil Under the Sea!
Journey to the Center of the Bat!
Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure!
And then there's the last episode, which, in my opinion, is brilliantly meta (But, if you intend to watch all of the episodes, wait for it. If you just want to pick and choose a few, watch it last) - Mitefall. You may find it a bit relevant to the current Batman/Superman situation.
And here's someone in universe describing Batman.
Eh, Considered by whom exactly? I know people who think all superhero's are lame. Most people I know have probably never heard of aquaman. I personally only ever hear about aquaman in jokes on the internet, so I think he isn't being taken entirely seriously even by those who might be interested in him. Maybe that'll change if he gets his own movie one of these days. Superhero movies have been very popular recently.
So then you admit that he won't always be lame, and that the only thing that makes Supers and Bats "cool" is that they've had a good makeover with good writing, and that there isn't anything actually stopping that from happening to Aquaman. Because your previous comment implied that he is just forever less cool than the other heroes, who have had their own equally lame appearances, many of which from the same show that has somehow forever branded Aquaman as "lame". Also, who is this "emo" Aquaman you speak of? All of the clips from the other versions of him in this thread show a Boisterous Bruiser trope who is basically BRIAN BLESSED!!! in animated form. That's hardly an "emo" Aquaman.Fox12 said:Hey, I like campy batman/superman. Heck, I like campy Aquaman too. I certainly like him more then serious Aquaman.Happyninja42 said:You're right, it's totally lame to try and look cool when you aren't cool.Fox12 said:No way. That's even lamer then the Justice Friends version ever was. Now I want to make fun of him more : PMercurySteam said:Uh, hello?
I'd say if nothing else they found a way to translate Aquaman to something that would be well received by the fickle cinematic audience. Genuinely can't wait for this.
Aquaman will never be one of the cool kids. He will never be superman or batman. Trying to look cool is the least cool thing you can do. Making him look like Rob Zombie, or making him summon sharks, doesn't do him any favors. But that's okay. Because we love Aquaman just the way he is. Choking to death on a soda can wrapper.
Trying to look cool just makes you look dumber.
Including sharks is totally lame too.
Trying to re-imagine a lame character into something cooler is totally lame, and just makes them look lamer, and totally has never worked ever.
Good thing the cool kids like Superman and Batman were 100% serious and totally not lame from their inception. Yep, no lameness ever in their past, no siree bob, newp.
In any case, the reason batman is more respectable today is because he's actually had talented writers handle his material. He's had Alan Moore and Christopher Nolan handle his work. His animated series managed to be mature without being grimdark. There's a nuance to the character that Aquaman doesn't have yet.
The thing is, if you want to make Aquaman cool, then you have to stop trying to turn him into batman or superman. We don't need emo Aquaman. We don't need an Aquaman that has a spear arm and beard. We don't need a darker and edgier backstory. We don't need desperate attempts to make him look like an action hero. We just need him to be a well written and relatable character. DC doesn't seem to understand that. The harder you try to make him "cool," the less seriously I take him. Focus on writing a natural story instead. Heck, I'd take a lovable doofus over Snyders abortion any day of the week. It's not that Aquaman can't be interesting, it's that people are handling his character all wrong.
I'm not sure how to put this. I think making people look "cool" is a pointless gesture. Just focus on making an interesting character. Any character can be interesting. As it stands, I kind of like doofus Aquaman. I find the constant attempts to make him look cool endearing, if not totally ineffective.Happyninja42 said:So then you admit that he won't always be lame, and that the only thing that makes Supers and Bats "cool" is that they've had a good makeover with good writing, and that there isn't anything actually stopping that from happening to Aquaman. Because your previous comment implied that he is just forever less cool than the other heroes, who have had their own equally lame appearances, many of which from the same show that has somehow forever branded Aquaman as "lame". Also, who is this "emo" Aquaman you speak of? All of the clips from the other versions of him in this thread show a Boisterous Bruiser trope who is basically BRIAN BLESSED!!! in animated form. That's hardly an "emo" Aquaman.Fox12 said:Hey, I like campy batman/superman. Heck, I like campy Aquaman too. I certainly like him more then serious Aquaman.Happyninja42 said:You're right, it's totally lame to try and look cool when you aren't cool.Fox12 said:No way. That's even lamer then the Justice Friends version ever was. Now I want to make fun of him more : PMercurySteam said:Uh, hello?
I'd say if nothing else they found a way to translate Aquaman to something that would be well received by the fickle cinematic audience. Genuinely can't wait for this.
Aquaman will never be one of the cool kids. He will never be superman or batman. Trying to look cool is the least cool thing you can do. Making him look like Rob Zombie, or making him summon sharks, doesn't do him any favors. But that's okay. Because we love Aquaman just the way he is. Choking to death on a soda can wrapper.
Trying to look cool just makes you look dumber.
Including sharks is totally lame too.
Trying to re-imagine a lame character into something cooler is totally lame, and just makes them look lamer, and totally has never worked ever.
Good thing the cool kids like Superman and Batman were 100% serious and totally not lame from their inception. Yep, no lameness ever in their past, no siree bob, newp.
In any case, the reason batman is more respectable today is because he's actually had talented writers handle his material. He's had Alan Moore and Christopher Nolan handle his work. His animated series managed to be mature without being grimdark. There's a nuance to the character that Aquaman doesn't have yet.
The thing is, if you want to make Aquaman cool, then you have to stop trying to turn him into batman or superman. We don't need emo Aquaman. We don't need an Aquaman that has a spear arm and beard. We don't need a darker and edgier backstory. We don't need desperate attempts to make him look like an action hero. We just need him to be a well written and relatable character. DC doesn't seem to understand that. The harder you try to make him "cool," the less seriously I take him. Focus on writing a natural story instead. Heck, I'd take a lovable doofus over Snyders abortion any day of the week. It's not that Aquaman can't be interesting, it's that people are handling his character all wrong.
I already hate Snyder Aquaman, though. He seems to think that drenching everything in black makes it cool. *sigh*
I mean, visually Snyder Aquaman is pretty much Peter David Aquaman right? We haven't actually seen what his personality will be like, but I'm thinking comically serious, kind of like Worf.
I have a question, who's better off, Aquaman (who has fans and a lot of haters) or Sub-mariner (who doesn't get hate, but no one really gives two shits about)?
This is a great issue of Aquaman (and Etrigan) fighting Lovecraftian beasties.Agent_Z said:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/the-brave-and-the-bold-32-night-gods/4000-200853/
He also fights lovecraftian stuff on the reg in his N52 series.
Nope. Don't remember that at all. But at this point they've killed off pretty much every comic book character at least once.McMarbles said:
Yes! I think he'd play well off of the other members, especially Flash, well.McMarbles said:
I honestly don't haha. Was that during AvX?McMarbles said:
Yeah, so I guess Aquaman wins, at least some people cared when he was killed and replaced by a younger, hipper version.
I have no idea where the whole "he's lame" comes from, yeah he was super cheesy and pathetic in the superfriends, but then again, so was everyone else, and honestly in recent iterations (JL:U or Batman the Brave and the Bold) I've really grown to like him as a character, I wouldn't say he's my favorite or even in my top 5 DC hero's, but I certainly like him