Poll: Would You vote for Obama again?

[OriginalError]

I voted Ron Paul in '08, not so much for his social policy (which is insane) but his fiscal policy (anybody with enough juevos to ask the Federal Reserve to their faces why they are artificially inflating the US' FIAT currency deserves a freaking medal).

I hate politics, but here goes.

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In the few short months as President, Obama has racked up a considerable amount of National Debt (something like $731,524,000,000 *additional* projected National Debt since inauguration). The sad thing is, I have no doubt that the Republican contender Old Man McCain would've done a fine job racking up some debt himself.

Obama is a bad president (fiscally). I really can't say anything about his social policies because (as far as I can tell) he doesn't have any. All the decisions he's been making have been fiscal, and most are bad (and whats worse, most of the ideas have been tried elsewhere with little to no positive results [hello, public option health care!]). The decisions that weren't fiscal (like how to deal with Korea threatening to bomb Hawaii) were incredibly weak. Personally, I wouldn't call creating a derivatives market through the Cap and Trade social legislation towards saving the earth.... I'd actually point out that unilateral adoption of a stupid policy that limits emissions scientifically proven to be good for the environment (higher levels of carbon dioxide actually lead to increased G2 and G3 plant growth, they don't saturate greenhouses with C02 to increase the heat) will only make the US less competitive in the global economy.

//J.

 

[Crimsane]

Judging how a president did during his term after only six months in office is a lot like judging how good a game is by the intro cinematic and box art.

 

[OriginalError]

Judging how a president did during his term after only six months in office is a lot like judging how good a game is by the intro cinematic and box art.

The only video game I'm aware of with intro cinematics that long was Xenosaga. That being said, I think half a year is a good point to judge from (especially since one of his policy implementations, the stimulus, was supposed to prevent unemployment from reaching 8% before the end of the year, and it has already failed ahead of schedule). I mean, you could hold back and say "Maybe these policies/laws instituted will magically start doing what they're supposed to later, instead of failing miserably like they are now."... but it would take some incredible optimism.

//J.

 

[Knight Templar]

He dogged out on one of his major candidacy selling issues- Gay Marriage.

I know a lot of gay people, I take that personally. Fuck Obama, I regret voting for him, he's a lying scumbag.

What did he promise and how did he fail to deliver on said promise?

If you are talking about gays in the miltiary, then he's working on that right now.

He has about as much control of that going through as he does controlling gravity. The Military is pretty much its own insular society in America and anyone who thinks it is going to change because some Suits in Washington say so is Naive. The military will always find ways to drum out gays no matter what.

Well they said the same about black people serving in the miltiary, so President Truman made an excutive order, very little can stop that. Since Obama is commander in chief of the U.S. army I'd say he has a fairly large amount of control, as do some of some of the generals who support the action.
He can't make gays become accepted, but he can stop them being discharged for who they are.
The only reason he hasn't made an excutive order yet is he wants any action to have some real effect and be quickly followed by an order from congress.

He was quoted recently as saying "Homosexual unions are no more legally valid than those between an uncle and his niece."

Now was he stating that as fact or as his opinion?
Without context that quote doesn't really mean much, hell you could be making it up for all I know. I don't think you are making it up, it's just an example of how little that quote means by itself.

 

[Zenn3k]

Yup

I prevented Palin from getting into office, I can live with that till the day I die.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

He dogged out on one of his major candidacy selling issues- Gay Marriage.

I know a lot of gay people, I take that personally. Fuck Obama, I regret voting for him, he's a lying scumbag.

What did he promise and how did he fail to deliver on said promise?

If you are talking about gays in the miltiary, then he's working on that right now.

He has about as much control of that going through as he does controlling gravity. The Military is pretty much its own insular society in America and anyone who thinks it is going to change because some Suits in Washington say so is Naive. The military will always find ways to drum out gays no matter what.

Well they said the same about black people serving in the miltiary, so President Truman made an excutive order, very little can stop that. Since Obama is commander in chief of the U.S. army I'd say he has a fairly large amount of control, as do some of some of the generals who support the action.
He can't make gays become accepted, but he can stop them being discharged for who they are.
The only reason he hasn't made an excutive order yet is he wants any action to have some real effect and be quickly followed by an order from congress.

He was quoted recently as saying "Homosexual unions are no more legally valid than those between an uncle and his niece."

Now was he stating that as fact or as his opinion?
Without context that quote doesn't really mean much, hell you could be making it up for all I know. I don't think you are making it up, it's just an example of how little that quote means by itself.

Except the US Marine Corps was already leading the way in regards to racial integration in regards to combat units. No one is leading the charge nor looking at even doing so with Homosexuals. This is fact not a matter of opinion. Hell my Uncle who is a Command Sergeant Major with Pentagon connections says we are more likely to have a war with Martians then we are to integrate homosexuals. He said DADT is working and no one wants nor cares to change it from that other then Suits. Also anyone thinking Obama will get support when already there is enough rumbling in the US Military about having Obama in office is insane. That man has far too man hurdles to be trying to integrate homosexuals he should be focusing on getting our policy straight in regards to the two nations we are occupying.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

If he grew a spine between then and now, maybe. He doesn't seem to understand that in this day and age, there is no in-between; you can't please both parties. He needs to be pushing his agenda as it needs to be pushed, not diluting and weakening it because of the loudmouthed, ignorant braying of the same idiot Republicans who got us into this mess in the first place. Maybe I was just naive for believing he wouldn't fall into the trap that is "bipartisan politics". Change, indeed.

Yeah but in all honesty the alternatives were worse. I mean it was either Obama or Mr. Rogers the grumpy ole' crazy Nam vet who sings songs about bombing nations. Oh and calls other national leaders Evil. McCain would have been a death knell for America whether that would have been a blessing because it would have been quick and painful will be answered in a few years.

Just because one choice is bad doesn't mean the other one is good by default. Still, I do agree that McCain was about the LAST Republican who should have been running against Obama.

That said, I probably wouldn't vote for Obama unless he did manage to somehow do all of the amazing stuff he's promising and it somehow all worked out.

 

[Ancientgamer]

He dogged out on one of his major candidacy selling issues- Gay Marriage.

I know a lot of gay people, I take that personally. Fuck Obama, I regret voting for him, he's a lying scumbag.

What did he promise and how did he fail to deliver on said promise?

If you are talking about gays in the miltiary, then he's working on that right now.

He has about as much control of that going through as he does controlling gravity. The Military is pretty much its own insular society in America and anyone who thinks it is going to change because some Suits in Washington say so is Naive. The military will always find ways to drum out gays no matter what.

Well they said the same about black people serving in the miltiary, so President Truman made an excutive order, very little can stop that. Since Obama is commander in chief of the U.S. army I'd say he has a fairly large amount of control, as do some of some of the generals who support the action.
He can't make gays become accepted, but he can stop them being discharged for who they are.
The only reason he hasn't made an excutive order yet is he wants any action to have some real effect and be quickly followed by an order from congress.

He was quoted recently as saying "Homosexual unions are no more legally valid than those between an uncle and his niece."

Now was he stating that as fact or as his opinion?
Without context that quote doesn't really mean much, hell you could be making it up for all I know. I don't think you are making it up, it's just an example of how little that quote means by itself.

Except the US Marine Corps was already leading the way in regards to racial integration in regards to combat units. No one is leading the charge nor looking at even doing so with Homosexuals. This is fact not a matter of opinion. Hell my Uncle who is a Command Sergeant Major with Pentagon connections says we are more likely to have a war with Martians then we are to integrate homosexuals. He said DADT is working and no one wants nor cares to change it from that other then Suits. Also anyone thinking Obama will get support when already there is enough rumbling in the US Military about having Obama in office is insane. That man has far too man hurdles to be trying to integrate homosexuals he should be focusing on getting our policy straight in regards to the two nations we are occupying.

The military allows gays, they just don't allow homosexual relations within the unit. Which makes sense. Considering how "social" military units and barracks are, allowing open sexuality would be far too awkward and uncontrolable. It's the same reason they don't have Co-ed barracks.

Also, people seem to forget that beyond being our military leader and face to the world, the president has jack-shit to do with social-economic polices, beyond the power of veto. If you want change, watch who's being voted into congress and senate.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

If he grew a spine between then and now, maybe. He doesn't seem to understand that in this day and age, there is no in-between; you can't please both parties. He needs to be pushing his agenda as it needs to be pushed, not diluting and weakening it because of the loudmouthed, ignorant braying of the same idiot Republicans who got us into this mess in the first place. Maybe I was just naive for believing he wouldn't fall into the trap that is "bipartisan politics". Change, indeed.

Yeah but in all honesty the alternatives were worse. I mean it was either Obama or Mr. Rogers the grumpy ole' crazy Nam vet who sings songs about bombing nations. Oh and calls other national leaders Evil. McCain would have been a death knell for America whether that would have been a blessing because it would have been quick and painful will be answered in a few years.

Just because one choice is bad doesn't mean the other one is good by default. Still, I do agree that McCain was about the LAST Republican who should have been running against Obama.

That said, I probably wouldn't vote for Obama unless he did manage to somehow do all of the amazing stuff he's promising and it somehow all worked out.

Never said it did but honestly when there are only two options that have a chance of winning and one of them is batshit insane it is rather easy choice. Anyways I wish our Two Party system would just finally rip apart this country is in desperate need of more parties with various views instead of Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum.

 

[Knight Templar]

~Snip~

A Command Sergeant Major?
Well if he says said so I'd be inclined to belive, he would be a much more reliable source of information than the news.
Note: In case this sounds sarcastic: it isn't.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

He dogged out on one of his major candidacy selling issues- Gay Marriage.

I know a lot of gay people, I take that personally. Fuck Obama, I regret voting for him, he's a lying scumbag.

What did he promise and how did he fail to deliver on said promise?

If you are talking about gays in the miltiary, then he's working on that right now.

He has about as much control of that going through as he does controlling gravity. The Military is pretty much its own insular society in America and anyone who thinks it is going to change because some Suits in Washington say so is Naive. The military will always find ways to drum out gays no matter what.

Well they said the same about black people serving in the miltiary, so President Truman made an excutive order, very little can stop that. Since Obama is commander in chief of the U.S. army I'd say he has a fairly large amount of control, as do some of some of the generals who support the action.
He can't make gays become accepted, but he can stop them being discharged for who they are.
The only reason he hasn't made an excutive order yet is he wants any action to have some real effect and be quickly followed by an order from congress.

He was quoted recently as saying "Homosexual unions are no more legally valid than those between an uncle and his niece."

Now was he stating that as fact or as his opinion?
Without context that quote doesn't really mean much, hell you could be making it up for all I know. I don't think you are making it up, it's just an example of how little that quote means by itself.

Except the US Marine Corps was already leading the way in regards to racial integration in regards to combat units. No one is leading the charge nor looking at even doing so with Homosexuals. This is fact not a matter of opinion. Hell my Uncle who is a Command Sergeant Major with Pentagon connections says we are more likely to have a war with Martians then we are to integrate homosexuals. He said DADT is working and no one wants nor cares to change it from that other then Suits. Also anyone thinking Obama will get support when already there is enough rumbling in the US Military about having Obama in office is insane. That man has far too man hurdles to be trying to integrate homosexuals he should be focusing on getting our policy straight in regards to the two nations we are occupying.

The military allows gays, they just don't allow homosexual relations within the unit. Which makes sense. Considering how "social" military units and barracks are, allowing open sexuality would be far too awkward and uncontrolable. It's the same reason they don't have Co-ed barracks.

Also, people seem to forget that beyond being our military leader and face to the world, the president has jack-shit to do with social-economic polices, beyond the power of veto. If you want change, watch who's being voted into congress and senate.

I know hence why I said Don't Ask Don't Tell is doing its job. I don't see why it needs to be replaced. Clinton established the system and it has worked surprisingly well I don't see why it needs to be replaced nor do I see a reason why everyone needs to know someone is gay either.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

~Snip~

A Command Sergeant Major?
Well if he says said so I'd be inclined to belive, he would be a much more reliable source of information than the news.
Note: In case this sounds sarcastic: it isn't.

Don't worry I didn't take it that way. Yeah he seems to be nervous not so much about Obama he has been surprised by some of his decisions but he feels that he really has to show some cajones in order to fix Afghanistan and Iraq. The US Military has its morale flagging and my Uncle couldn't say enough bad things about Bush. If Obama listens to some people in the know and starts reversing some of the stupid decisions he could get a lot of support Pentagon wise. At this point the US Military just wants a breather and some coherent orders.

 

[supermaster1337]

What is up with this thread? Give him time, we are in a freakn depression and you just cant get out of a depression with programs, he is doing great considering the economic problems that exist today. He hasnt exactly done anything wrong or untrustworthy like our previous president, but this thread is not about him. Obama is doing a well job in my opinion and is helping the country during its time of trouble and that is what we need. It is hard and slow but I believe that he can do it and am willing to vote for him in 3 years.

 

[Cpt Morgan]

Considering all the shit Obama has to sort out I'd say he's doing a damn fine job right now.

 

[Kiutu]

Guess what, getting us all killed or making us all hated would not be better than the trivial reasons you are mad at him.
He actually has been doing what he said and is making the U.S. presentable again. It is NOT a bad thing for the rest of the world to think well of us, nor is it bad for him to not be all gunho.
Republicans ironically are being more annoying because they (rather pathetically) are trying to call him out on every problem and really are just showing us Republicans follow the stereotypes.

 

[Mantonio]

This sort of thing annoys me. It's only been about six months since he got inaugurated. Since then he's had to not only try sort out the assorted excrements that the Bush administration, but from what people are expecting he's also got to return all peace on Earth and automatically fix the economy.

Listen, if things in America haven't gotten any worse by the next election, then his term has been a success. Ask people again in three and a half years.

 

[Matronadena]

I did'nt vote for him in the first place, but it's to soon for me to go one way or another, he's done somethings I found to be completely asinine, and others I thought were pretty smart..
What worries me is the house and senate, Having one party or another with that much of a majority is NEVER a good thing no matter what party holds it.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Oh, it will absolutely depend on the next few years.

That said, I voted for him the first time around. Since that point, he began working almost immediately after his election was confirmed, he's been little short of brilliant when it comes to foreign relations, and he's been steadily distancing himself (and, more importantly, the whole U.S.) from the previous administration. Whatever is happening with the economy currently, it's absolutely clear that he's taking the matter seriously, trying as best he can to fix the problem according to his own and his advisors' policies and beliefs, and always being focused on the long term.

I give less than a damn about "campaign promises fulfilled." If his policies get the economy to start to recover, and if his work clears the U.S.'s reputation abroad, he'll be a resounding success. While I certainly wouldn't mind certain things he promised coming around, I'm not so selfish as to put my own views ahead of the overall good of the country.

Ummm.. i wouldn't vote for him again due to the fact that he promised that he would do all of these amazing things so quickly,

You weren't paying attention to him, were you?

 

[Limos]

The American political system

Republican are the party of bad ideas, while the democrats is the part of no ideas. If a republican stands up and yells, "I have a bad idea!" Then, a democrat will stand up and yell, "And I can make it shitter!"

Cookie for reference.

Lewis Black, huzzah now gimme my cookie.

And I hear a lot of people complaining that Obama hasn't delivered on the Gay Rights issues, I think it's a matter of flexibility. The Republican party makes up close to half of the nation. And they are rabidly anti gay. So far we (Democrats) have pushed the Republican party very far very quickly in a lot of different aspects.

We try to find compromises that they will agree to because when we push something little through, say bailing out a company, they begin shouting about Secession. Yeah, the governor of Texas started publicly contemplating secession over economics. Could you imagine if he pushed them on gay marriage and gays in the military at the same time?

Even before he started doing anything they accuse him of being a secret muslim and the Anti-christ and a Socialist. A lot of the lunatic fringe seem to be calling for his assassination. He hasn't even done anything but they HATE him in ways that are scary to see.

I don't think we can afford to move too quickly right now. First fix the wars and try to get out of the recession. Then once the god botherers lapse back into complacency we can move on to social issues. If we press them too hard they will snap.