Poll: Would You vote for Obama again?

[sabotstarr]

This is a classic example of too many options on the poll making it unhelpful. For this poll to be useful it should have had two options: 'yes' and 'no'.

but i needed to appease everyone...

Edit: and thank you all for your opinions, they are (for the most part) very educated and well thought out answers.

 

[ajb924]

People shouldn't have voted for him in the first place, he made alot of empty promises. One of which was free healthcare. This is a terrible idea, and if it does happen it won't be free, we'll just be paying the goverment instead of a company. On top of that, my dad may have to pay more then half of his paycheck to taxes. That means he doesn't get the majority of his money. But i think this is a problem with most democrats, not just him. He however sent a ton of terrorists here so i hate him for that too. I am not old enough to vote, no way in hell i would for him though

 

[Hitman 43]

I'm not American.

 

[slevin8989]

At this point yes I would vote for him people have their expectation to high too early on.

 

[Player 2]

Spoiler: I cant vote, but his pr department really didn't put much thought into these posters, because they look just like the ones from...

Spoiler: This film (1984)

 

[Zillar]

God, no.
no no no no.

(But, then again, I'm too young to vote)

 

[Mjolnir07]

If he grew a spine between then and now, maybe. He doesn't seem to understand that in this day and age, there is no in-between; you can't please both parties. He needs to be pushing his agenda as it needs to be pushed, not diluting and weakening it because of the loudmouthed, ignorant braying of the same idiot Republicans who got us into this mess in the first place. Maybe I was just naive for believing he wouldn't fall into the trap that is "bipartisan politics". Change, indeed.

He dogged out on one of his major candidacy selling issues- Gay Marriage.

I know a lot of gay people, I take that personally. Fuck Obama, I regret voting for him, he's a lying scumbag.

What did he promise and how did he fail to deliver on said promise?

If you are talking about gays in the miltiary, then he's working on that right now.

He was quoted recently as saying "Homosexual unions are no more legally valid than those between an uncle and his niece."

That's because according to law in most states, they ARE no more legally valid than those between and uncle and his niece.

This could very well be true, I misinterpreted the tone. However, he did say this right after he decided to support the defense of marriage act, which is what keep homosexuals from marrying in the first place.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

I want a president who will be outspoken in support of gay rights, I'm sick of this wishy washy shit he's been pulling.

Look at the aftermath of the Civil War. Lot's of legislation was put in to protect Black people, and it ended up causing a lot more resentment and generally things took about a century to get better. Obama can put a bill into Congress to legalise Gay Marriage, and by some miracle it may pass, but that'll only increase homophobia because suddenly he's steped over State Rights (a pretty big area of debate in most countries) and piss off those religious types who think Gay Marriage will bring about the apocalypse (no, really.).

The solution is to not be outspoken, the solution is to work subtly to change people's opinions on the matter until they want (or at the very least aren't opposed) to Gay Marriage. Look at my country; a few years ago ACT legislation to legalise Gay Marriage was shot down twice (one time after inactment). Now 60% of Australia thinks we should have it. I say that Obama should back off a little bit, work on small changes to nudge the US towards nation wide acceptance of Homosexuals. He's already said that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and "Defence of Marriage Act" will both be removed during his term. Those are some serious steps. The legal battle over Propisition 8 will continue because neither side won last time; Marriage in California is legally between a man and a woman, but all Gay Marriages preformed before NOvemember 4th 2008 are still valid. Meanwhile other states in the union are moving to legalise it.

Change is coming, give it time.

Incidently anyone who thinks that Obama can fix all of the US' problems in 8 years is a moron and needs to accept that it takes a lot more time to fix things then it does to break them.

That was Booker T. Washington's approach to civil rights, and the fact is that it just allowed African Americans to get stepped all over. We need a more direct, W.E.B. DuBois type approach. I'm not even saying that Obama has to get out there and try to pass gay rights legislation, but it would be nice to hear him at least SAY that he's in support of gay marriage. All he'll say is wishy washy fence sitting stuff. Secondly, I don't know if you keep up with American news much, but Obama had the PERFECT chance to actually get into the debate over "don't ask don't tell" when Army Captain James Pietrangelo was kicked out of the military recently because of the policy. Obama chose not to step up to the plate.

See, my problem is just that Obama has been too busy trying not to step on anyone's toes. He wants socialized health care, but here he is trying to make the insurance companies happy too. He wants gay rights, but all he'll say is "I'm in support of something like a civil union" or "Captain Pietrangelo broke the rules." He skirts the issue, he doesn't say he's against gay marriage, but he won't even SAY that he's for it. He probably would prefer that Captain Pietrangelo hadn't been kicked out of the military, but he knows if he says it he'll piss people off, so instead he says something about how the man broke the rules, thereby avoiding implication in either side regarding the civil rights issues of the case.

The real irony here, is that because the Democratic party isn't a left party anymore, but instead is a centrist party, while the Republicans moved beyond right, straight into an asylum, it is very hard to pass liberal policies. Consider that many analysts say that the biggest problem Obama will have with passing socialized health care is getting the support of enough DEMOCRATS. And while that load of rediculous nonsense is going on in Washington, Democratic constituents are treading Obama like he's their boyfriend, and they're afraid to critique him. And the Republican constituents are convinced that he's the anti christ, or a socialist. To steal a quote from Bill Maher, "if only he were a socialist, he's not even liberal!"

Don't get me wrong here, I like Obama, it's nice to have someone who actually has a brain in the Whitehouse. But just because he's a hell of a lot better than Bush, doesn't mean he's perfect.

 

[Low Key]

If he grew a spine between then and now, maybe. He doesn't seem to understand that in this day and age, there is no in-between; you can't please both parties. He needs to be pushing his agenda as it needs to be pushed, not diluting and weakening it because of the loudmouthed, ignorant braying of the same idiot Republicans who got us into this mess in the first place. Maybe I was just naive for believing he wouldn't fall into the trap that is "bipartisan politics". Change, indeed.

He dogged out on one of his major candidacy selling issues- Gay Marriage.

I know a lot of gay people, I take that personally. Fuck Obama, I regret voting for him, he's a lying scumbag.

What did he promise and how did he fail to deliver on said promise?

If you are talking about gays in the miltiary, then he's working on that right now.

He was quoted recently as saying "Homosexual unions are no more legally valid than those between an uncle and his niece."

That's because according to law in most states, they ARE no more legally valid than those between and uncle and his niece.

This could very well be true, I misinterpreted the tone. However, he did say this right after he decided to support the defense of marriage act, which is what keep homosexuals from marrying in the first place.

He said what he said because he realized the federal government shouldn't overrule the individual state laws. There are still plenty of places in America where a gay couple can get married, and I can only assume that number will grow on it's own without the help of Obama. If he tried to force the issue, there would no doubt be backlash, and gay couples already experience enough of that.

 

[CruzChaos]

bring back the none of the above vote.

 

[Shaoken]

People shouldn't have voted for him in the first place, he made alot of empty promises. One of which was free healthcare. This is a terrible idea, and if it does happen it won't be free, we'll just be paying the goverment instead of a company.

But of course everyone gets it, so everyone pays.

On top of that, my dad may have to pay more then half of his paycheck to taxes. That means he doesn't get the majority of his money. But i think this is a problem with most democrats, not just him.

Believe it or not the government does need a lot of money to run things. However I think you might be exagerating a little bit or leaving out since I'm pretty sure no one is being taxed at over 50% their wages.

He however sent a ton of terrorists here so i hate him for that too. I am not old enough to vote, no way in hell i would for him though

Whoa, you mean he respected your countries constiution and former moral standings and did the right thing and you hate him for it?

Come off it, it's not like he released them into the wild. Nobody has escaped from a supermax prison before.

 

[ajb924]

People shouldn't have voted for him in the first place, he made alot of empty promises. One of which was free healthcare. This is a terrible idea, and if it does happen it won't be free, we'll just be paying the goverment instead of a company.

But of course everyone gets it, so everyone pays.

On top of that, my dad may have to pay more then half of his paycheck to taxes. That means he doesn't get the majority of his money. But i think this is a problem with most democrats, not just him.

Believe it or not the government does need a lot of money to run things. However I think you might be exagerating a little bit or leaving out since I'm pretty sure no one is being taxed at over 50% their wages.

He however sent a ton of terrorists here so i hate him for that too. I am not old enough to vote, no way in hell i would for him though

Whoa, you mean he respected your countries constiution and former moral standings and did the right thing and you hate him for it?

Come off it, it's not like he released them into the wild. Nobody has escaped from a supermax prison before.

Sure no one has escaped a supermax prison before but i sure as hell felt safer when they were over seas. Not only that, the people sent from Guantanamo Bay could convince inmates to work for them when they get out of jail.

And ok fine he keeps half, is that fair in the least!? He went to collage and got a degree, why does he need to give half of his earnings to the goverment!? And the govement does need alot of money but why should people who make more have to pay a higher percentage? Taxes should be at a flat percent, you have a job you give X amount to taxes.

And sure everyone pays but alot of people will suffer. People with terminal illnesses may not get proper treatment because the goverment can't afford it. Now this is going on at the moment with health insurance company's, but for people that this is happening to there are programs for them! They are the only people who have any right to want free healthcare. Everyone else saying it's too expensive? Bullshit. We used to be poor and live in a trailor park, there are ways to reduce the cost of healthcare!

 

[Shaoken]

Sure no one has escaped a supermax prison before but i sure as hell felt safer when they were over seas. Not only that, the people sent from Guantanamo Bay could convince inmates to work for them when they get out of jail.

You are a moron if you honestly believe that. The bad guys in the supermax prisons aren't going to "work for" these terrorists. If anything a lot of them would try and kill them. Patriotic tendencies and all that. Either way there is no justifiable reason to keep them overseas and deny them their rights. And Guantanamo is a blight upon the US' reputation. Closing it down will help undo some of the damage it's done.

And ok fine he keeps half, is that fair in the least!? He went to collage and got a degree, why does he need to give half of his earnings to the goverment!? And the govement does need alot of money but why should people who make more have to pay a higher percentage?

Um, yes actually. Because if a person makes more then they can afford to spare more. If your father earns enough to get taxed 50% of his wage then he would have to be bringing in a hell of a lot more then most people. And being taxed a higher percentage is only logical; it stays porportianal.

I still think you have no clue what you're talking about though, what job has a tax rate that high? Sure you aren't mixing up taxes with bills?

Taxes should be at a flat percent, you have a job you give X amount to taxes.

And the whole country would go bankrupt in a few years. Besides, that would be an incredibly unfair system. The people who have more should be made to shoulder more of the load. Otherwise you'll have millionares and billionares doing stupid shit like buying golden coathangers and toliet seats.

And sure everyone pays but alot of people will suffer. People with terminal illnesses may not get proper treatment because the goverment can't afford it. Now this is going on at the moment with health insurance company's, but for people that this is happening to there are programs for them! They are the only people who have any right to want free healthcare. Everyone else saying it's too expensive? Bullshit. We used to be poor and live in a trailor park, there are ways to reduce the cost of healthcare!

And yet every other country with a universal health care system seems to be doing a lot better then the US.

 

[ajb924]

Sure no one has escaped a supermax prison before but i sure as hell felt safer when they were over seas. Not only that, the people sent from Guantanamo Bay could convince inmates to work for them when they get out of jail.

You are a moron if you honestly believe that. The bad guys in the supermax prisons aren't going to "work for" these terrorists. If anything a lot of them would try and kill them. Patriotic tendencies and all that. Either way there is no justifiable reason to keep them overseas and deny them their rights. And Guantanamo is a blight upon the US' reputation. Closing it down will help undo some of the damage it's done.

And ok fine he keeps half, is that fair in the least!? He went to collage and got a degree, why does he need to give half of his earnings to the goverment!? And the govement does need alot of money but why should people who make more have to pay a higher percentage?

Um, yes actually. Because if a person makes more then they can afford to spare more. If your father earns enough to get taxed 50% of his wage then he would have to be bringing in a hell of a lot more then most people. And being taxed a higher percentage is only logical; it stays porportianal.

I still think you have no clue what you're talking about though, what job has a tax rate that high? Sure you aren't mixing up taxes with bills?

Taxes should be at a flat percent, you have a job you give X amount to taxes.

And the whole country would go bankrupt in a few years. Besides, that would be an incredibly unfair system. The people who have more should be made to shoulder more of the load. Otherwise you'll have millionares and billionares doing stupid shit like buying golden coathangers and toliet seats.

And sure everyone pays but alot of people will suffer. People with terminal illnesses may not get proper treatment because the goverment can't afford it. Now this is going on at the moment with health insurance company's, but for people that this is happening to there are programs for them! They are the only people who have any right to want free healthcare. Everyone else saying it's too expensive? Bullshit. We used to be poor and live in a trailor park, there are ways to reduce the cost of healthcare!

And yet every other country with a universal health care system seems to be doing a lot better then the US.

Really? You really believe that? In most countrys with universal healthcare it could takes months to get an MRI,this could be fatal. There are some countrys such as Belguim that universal healthcare works in, but Belgium is about the size of Rhode Island, our smallest state, and it works there because of the small population.

 

[koichan]

Like a lot of people have said, you really do need to give the guy some time.

He inherited an economy on the brink of total catastrophic meltdown, two very expensive wars and the lowest worldwide opinion of America in living memory.

If he even manages to keep the economy at it's current level by the end of his term i'd be seriously impressed, improving it would be a near legendary achievement.
Fixing problems of this magnitude simply cannot happen overnight.

I must admit i'm a little corned over the bailout too, but give it time too see it through.
On the plus side, at least he hasn't spent that money starting new wars.

Also a few have mentioned that you cannot change things too quickly, push certain things too hard and they will turn and bite you. A lot of the changes Obama is doing may seem small and timid, but it's far more effective in the long term than pushing things so hard they break.

 

[FoOd77]

I didn't vote for him in the first place, (too young at the time), but next election, I am pretty damn sure I won't vote for him. Maybe it isn't so much Obama that I dislike, but his rabid supporters, during the election, people put him on such a pedestal, that it made me sick, plus, I don't like it that one party has almost complete control.

Obama is definately better than Bush though, but that really isn't saying much. A chimpanzee in a fancy suit would be a much better president than ol' Dubya was. Plus, a chimp in a suit would adorable.

 

[goofiegirl2002]

Personally I'm not a fan of him, and I have my reasons but I feel that his way of leading and thinking is not what the USA needs right now. So no I'd never vote for him.

 

[Charisma]

I make it a rule never to engage in political debate, but this cracked me up:

Never voted for Him in the first place

Are we giving the President the same grammatical honor as God the Almighty now?

/snicker

 

[bob-2000]

Yea, I'd vote for him.