oh just to say I do actually enjoy seeing the views that ive been complaining about, the only reason im reiterating myself and pointing out why I started this thread is because it still seems what ive said before isnt being understood. if anyone with some of the views opposing mine thinking this is all to get someone to do what we want you are welcome to your opinion - just please show me you understand the points that are being made before you say that every point made on here is contridictary to the points previosly said. then I can debate and discuss the issue properley instead of repeating myself.