Poll: Yet another gun thread!

[Scolar Visari]

Anything from these guys - Knight's Armament:

http://www.knightarmco.com/

Better bullets and weapons are out there but governments aren't willing to pay the high prices that third party manufactures are charging. It's like that 'Dragon Skin' body armour - it's miles better than the armour soldiers are issued with, but governments wont buy it for their armies because it's just too expensive.

According to this site (and future weapons as I recall) the sniper they have at the top of their catalog is being adopted.

Yeah the MR-110? I swear it used to be called something else. They also looked at the KAC PDW on Future Weapons. It uses a larger round than the standard 5.56 NATO round. and does more damage but has less recoil. Sounds like they should be adopting that too.

I highly doubt that the 6mm round has lower recoil than the 5.56. They are probably similar but I doubt it is actually lower. The problem with the 6mm round is that it is pretty exotic compared to much more common rounds like the 5.56 so logistics becomes a problem. There is one PDW that Magpul is working on that uses the 5.56 to alleviate these problems but it performs like a slightly shortened M4. I believe the barrel length is a choice between 10" and 12" while the standard M4 barrel is around 14.5". This means that it's stopping power drops off at range faster than assault rifles but then again it is a PDW and is meant to provide the power of an assault rifle with the size of a sub-machine gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_PDR

The gun sites were in a tizzy after Magpul whipped that baby out at Shot Show. It looks pretty spiffy, though I'm definitely not looking forward to the flash or noise that little thing is going to produce. Hopefully whatever comp they put on it will help reduce that.

 

[baddude1337]

The HK416. One of the most durable rifles I have ever seen. They left it in both sand and water for days during tests and a after a quick shake it can fire again.

 

[Geekosaurus]

Anything from these guys - Knight's Armament:

http://www.knightarmco.com/

Better bullets and weapons are out there but governments aren't willing to pay the high prices that third party manufactures are charging. It's like that 'Dragon Skin' body armour - it's miles better than the armour soldiers are issued with, but governments wont buy it for their armies because it's just too expensive.

According to this site (and future weapons as I recall) the sniper they have at the top of their catalog is being adopted.

Yeah the MR-110? I swear it used to be called something else. They also looked at the KAC PDW on Future Weapons. It uses a larger round than the standard 5.56 NATO round. and does more damage but has less recoil. Sounds like they should be adopting that too.

Since your other post about Dragon Skin isn't appearing,I'm responding to this one. Dragon Skin was/is a crapshoot. They claimed it worked real well, but a number of Army tests had shown the vests failing some basic tests and the company tried to play it off like it was nothing. As I remember, heat and diesel played hell with the vests and would cause the glue that held them together to fail.

I actually do remember reading about this somewhere, now that you mention it. I was under the blind illusion that it was awesome but expensive. However my comment still stands - there are no doubt better weapons and equipment out there, but they're damn expensive. We all remember that quote that was used on Call of Duty 4: 'Your weapon is made by the lowest bidder.'

 

[Scolar Visari]

The HK416. One of the most durable rifles I have ever seen. They left it in both sand and water for days during tests and a after a quick shake it can fire again.

I know for a fact that at least Denmark is pissed as all Hell because both the rifle itself and the operating system are poorly suited for cold climates. I'm talking serious failures, like weapons exploding or having to stand on the charging handle to cycle the weapon. It's not a piece of shit, but it ain't the second coming of JMB either.

Anything from these guys - Knight's Armament:

http://www.knightarmco.com/

Better bullets and weapons are out there but governments aren't willing to pay the high prices that third party manufactures are charging. It's like that 'Dragon Skin' body armour - it's miles better than the armour soldiers are issued with, but governments wont buy it for their armies because it's just too expensive.

According to this site (and future weapons as I recall) the sniper they have at the top of their catalog is being adopted.

Yeah the MR-110? I swear it used to be called something else. They also looked at the KAC PDW on Future Weapons. It uses a larger round than the standard 5.56 NATO round. and does more damage but has less recoil. Sounds like they should be adopting that too.

Since your other post about Dragon Skin isn't appearing,I'm responding to this one. Dragon Skin was/is a crapshoot. They claimed it worked real well, but a number of Army tests had shown the vests failing some basic tests and the company tried to play it off like it was nothing. As I remember, heat and diesel played hell with the vests and would cause the glue that held them together to fail.

I actually do remember reading about this somewhere, now that you mention it. I was under the blind illusion that it was awesome but expensive. However my comment still stands - there are no doubt better weapons and equipment out there, but they're damn expensive. We all remember that quote that was used on Call of Duty 4: 'Your weapon is made by the lowest bidder.'

You're absolutely right, but that doesn't mean we should just change because somebody created something new. Sure there are some cool rifles available, but they aren't that so amazingly great that we need to purchase thousands and retrain absolutely everybody on some fancy new system.

 

[Geekosaurus]

You're absolutely right, but that doesn't mean we should just change because somebody created something new. Sure there are some cool rifles available, but they aren't that so amazingly great that we need to purchase thousands and retrain absolutely everybody on some fancy new system.

Oh yeah, they're not gonna do it for the sake of it. They'll hold out with what they have for as long as they can. But if, hypothetically, they wanted to change their standard rifles to the best rifles that money can buy, they'd have a massive job on their hands because pretty much everything would have to be replaced. And then of course they'd have all those old weapons that need selling to developing countries...

 

[KaosuHamoni]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement

I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

 

[Geekosaurus]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .553 Commando.
I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

It's not in COD..?

 

[KaosuHamoni]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement
I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

It's not in COD..?

The .552 is. Its just called the Commando in CoD though.

 

[Jedoro]

The HK416. One of the most durable rifles I have ever seen. They left it in both sand and water for days during tests and a after a quick shake it can fire again.

This, because Germans are just known for making the best shit out there.

 

[Geekosaurus]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement
I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

It's not in COD..?

The .552 is. Its just called the Commando in CoD though.

Erm...that's a Colt M733. Also known as a CAR-15 and an XM-177.

 

[KaosuHamoni]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement
I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

It's not in COD..?

The .552 is. Its just called the Commando in CoD though.

Erm...that's a Colt M733. Also known as a CAR-15 and an XM-177.

My bad. I heard 'Commando', and assumed it was the SG .552 =P

 

[Geekosaurus]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement
I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

It's not in COD..?

The .552 is. Its just called the Commando in CoD though.

Erm...that's a Colt M733. Also known as a CAR-15 and an XM-177.

My bad. I heard 'Commando', and assumed it was the SG .552 =P

Sorry if I've totally ruined the Commando for you now!

 

[Daverson]

SCAR-L. It provides everything the modern soldier needs.

Unlike the XM8 it's truly modular. (sure, the 5 varients "out of the box" may make the XM8 look modular, but what if you need to a night-vision sight? You can't fit that on the XM8, the SCAR has RIS rails, it can mount such a sight in less than a minute)
Unlike the 416 it has a fully adjustable stock (have fun fitting a rifle that doesn't fold into your backpack ^^)

The only real contender to the SCAR is the ACR, and I must admit I'm a bit sceptical about that... magpul got famous making little rubber things you fit on magazines to make them easier to detach, the ACR is their first real foray into building firearms. FN on the other hand have been making guns since before you (yes, you) were born, they manufactures the FAL, the most widely used western assault rifle. They know what they're doing.

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

I'm surprised no-one's suggested the H&K 416 yet, it has an immediately recognisable design, it's remarkably durable and has already been adopted by America's 1st SFOD-D.

Spoiler: Image

 

[IBlackKiteI]

I believe the XM8 had horrible failing issues in high heat environments. Something about the plastic melting.

Haha yeah, saw bunch of videos of the gun literally coming apart on the users hand.
I not sure why but I laughed my ass off, probably because it was being showcased as 'One gun to rule them all'

A bit unrelated, if the Tavor-21 is as accurate as they say it is then thats a damn fine gun.
Dunno how modular it is though.

 

[toastmaster2k8]

My vote would be for the Remmington ACR.

Spoiler

Why?

 

[KaosuHamoni]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement
I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

It's not in COD..?

The .552 is. Its just called the Commando in CoD though.

Erm...that's a Colt M733. Also known as a CAR-15 and an XM-177.

My bad. I heard 'Commando', and assumed it was the SG .552 =P

Sorry if I've totally ruined the Commando for you now!

No no, its fine. =] SIG are my favourite firearms manufacturer. If I could have any pistol, I would have a SIG P226

 

[Jester00]

the weapons of the german project "IdZ" ("Infantryman of the future")
the g36

Spoiler: pic

the mp7 for close quarter combat

Spoiler: pic

the g22 and the g82 for sniping

Spoiler: g22

Spoiler: g82

the km2000 knife

Spoiler: pic

 

[kouriichi]

This video pretty much sums it up.
Recoil? Low to mid. High Ammo Cap mag, massive RoF, highly adaptable to any situation, And did you know you can use a special sight with the option grenade launcher?
It accually uses a laser range finder to measure the distance between you and your target, and then tells you if you have to raise or lower the weapon.
Its extreamly light, very compact because of its bullpup design, and it fires the 5.56.

Its an amazing weapon, developed for one reason.

TO LUK T0TILLY BAD-AZZ IN VIDYA GAM3Z!!

 

[RheynbowDash]

My vote would be for the Remmington ACR.

Spoiler

Why?

Meh. Not a gun guy. Just like the ACR.