This reminds me of the Terry Schivo debate. What is a person? How far should we go medically to maintain a body after the brain has failed?
Tough questions.
Tough questions.
Poll: Your child is born without a brain. Would you raise it regardless?
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Yeah that's the time for euthanizing... I would choose it if i would ever become a wegetable, because it wouldn't be me it would be a shell of me ergo I would do the same for the kid he has no cognative ability's(mabey misspelled) so he/she is nothing but shell of someone who would be in that bodey... mercykilling would be my choice(even for me)
I'd have to have it Euthanized. As terrible as it sounds to say, the kid was essentially a very primitive animal. No real ability to think beyond basic instincts and absolutely rudimentary short term memory, if it was lucky. A few natural human traits explain most of its "Being happy". Discovery tends to lead to good responses in people, With no memory to speak of, its always discovering new things, even if its the same room over and over. Combine that with no ability to recall the bad or realize something might not be a good idea, it would literally be fed a positive response to however little reasoning ability it would have.
Its a giggle machine, not really human. Its not living a life, its incapable of supporting itself at all. There was no will to live because there was no concept of death. When the breathing stopped, the brain stem likely couldn't process stimuli like that, so it didn't do anything.
Thats not life. Thats not even a plant. Thats just wrong.
Its a giggle machine, not really human. Its not living a life, its incapable of supporting itself at all. There was no will to live because there was no concept of death. When the breathing stopped, the brain stem likely couldn't process stimuli like that, so it didn't do anything.
Thats not life. Thats not even a plant. Thats just wrong.
I would hang it on my front door as a warning to the others.
(I am kidding dear god how could you not think I am kidding)
(I am kidding dear god how could you not think I am kidding)
I read about this story after he was born and my opinion then hasn't changed. That kid wasn't a person. He was a sack of meat. Our brain is everything we are, without it we are just meat.
The entire affair is sad and tragic and it's very difficult not to sound heartless here. Fact is, I would care for any child with learning difficulties, no matter how severe. They are still a person. To repeat myself; this kid wasn't a person.
The entire affair is sad and tragic and it's very difficult not to sound heartless here. Fact is, I would care for any child with learning difficulties, no matter how severe. They are still a person. To repeat myself; this kid wasn't a person.
I would try to have them euthanized.
Though if this sort of thing was revealed before birth I would try to convince the mother to abort it.
Though if this sort of thing was revealed before birth I would try to convince the mother to abort it.
That pose at 1:24..... I would never let my daughter do that.
No I would probably not bother because the child cannot feel any joy or appreciation for my keeping said child. In fact since it has no brain it would feel nothing, the trauma it would cause the rest of the family would not be worth the nothingness the baby felt.
No I would probably not bother because the child cannot feel any joy or appreciation for my keeping said child. In fact since it has no brain it would feel nothing, the trauma it would cause the rest of the family would not be worth the nothingness the baby felt.
Alas all this talk of euthanasia but you forget doctors won't do that (not if they have morals anyway).
The thing is to survive this baby would have needed pretty serious intervention to survive early on. The solution would be to not escalate care to let him pass away naturally... e.g. not give antibiotics when he gets a pneumonia, don't ventilate him when he stops breathing etc. Doctors will not remove care to cause death (this is illegal) but they can not give care for something that will lead to death.
In the end it's always the family's choice, if it was my baby I would let it die naturally by denying him all medical treatment, imo this is in the baby's best interest as it will have no quality of life.
The thing is to survive this baby would have needed pretty serious intervention to survive early on. The solution would be to not escalate care to let him pass away naturally... e.g. not give antibiotics when he gets a pneumonia, don't ventilate him when he stops breathing etc. Doctors will not remove care to cause death (this is illegal) but they can not give care for something that will lead to death.
In the end it's always the family's choice, if it was my baby I would let it die naturally by denying him all medical treatment, imo this is in the baby's best interest as it will have no quality of life.
Umm...General Twinkletoes said:
literally having no brain = DEAD.
Everything about the body (including the order that it'll shut itself off in) is geared towards keeping the brain alive.
So if there is literally no brain in there... you don't have a baby there. You have a tiny corpse.
It's a tiny living corpse though, which is really weird. You saw in the video, it moved around and was definitely alive. I don't knnow how that's even possible, the brain controls organ function doesn't it? I have no idea how that baby survived for 3 years.TheDoctor455 said:
It had a brainstem which controlled heartbeat, breathing etc. It however has no emotion, thoughts, any kind of movement besides the mild twitching and such in the video and would never ever be capable of anything besides lying still and breathing until it died, which it did. Amazing it survived for so long though.General Twinkletoes said:
He only has a brainstem.
So, that's like what? the equivalent of a snake?
Obviously, It's the parents' choice, but I think I would have had it aborted when they discovered the condition or euthanize him otherwise.
Then again, a lot of people have emotions about pet snakes and spiders, so yeah, I can imagine that the parents would feel strongly about wanting to keep him.
edit: And I don't mean this in a way that the kid is some sort of pet, just that people get attached to life in many different ways and that I can understand the parents reasoning that this kid is alive, and should therefore be allowed the chance of a normal life.
So, that's like what? the equivalent of a snake?
Obviously, It's the parents' choice, but I think I would have had it aborted when they discovered the condition or euthanize him otherwise.
Then again, a lot of people have emotions about pet snakes and spiders, so yeah, I can imagine that the parents would feel strongly about wanting to keep him.
edit: And I don't mean this in a way that the kid is some sort of pet, just that people get attached to life in many different ways and that I can understand the parents reasoning that this kid is alive, and should therefore be allowed the chance of a normal life.