Poll: Your opinions on war.
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"There never was a good war, or a bad peace," - Benjamin Franklin.
However,
"There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:...
...a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace."
Ecclesiastes 3: 1, 8. One of the few passages of the the Bible that I believe even atheists should listen to. Even the great Andrew Ryan quoted that one.
Back to war, I believe there is a time for it and that sometimes it's necessary. Look at the American Civil War. Without it, America would be nothing. And it was believed necessary at the time, or at least that's what Ralph Waldo Emerson believed.
However,
"There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:...
...a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace."
Ecclesiastes 3: 1, 8. One of the few passages of the the Bible that I believe even atheists should listen to. Even the great Andrew Ryan quoted that one.
Back to war, I believe there is a time for it and that sometimes it's necessary. Look at the American Civil War. Without it, America would be nothing. And it was believed necessary at the time, or at least that's what Ralph Waldo Emerson believed.
Sorry, this may seem a bit stupid, but a lot of the options seem the same. What's the difference say between saying there are justifiable offensives and to have peace you must prepare for war?
It's a necessary evil, I think. World War Two, for example, was a war that had to be fought to its resolution. On every front. The current war, if you ask me, is also a war that should be fought to its conclusion.
Then again, every war should be fought to its conclusion otherwise the lives lost in the conflict are for naught because nothing is resolved one way or the other. If that makes sense to anyone.
I'm tired.
Then again, every war should be fought to its conclusion otherwise the lives lost in the conflict are for naught because nothing is resolved one way or the other. If that makes sense to anyone.
I'm tired.
Not all of them can be grouped together and many are in various gray areas.carnkhan4 said:
But to answer it more specifically they mean this:
"There are justifiable offenses...."
When attacked, attack back. This is anti-pacifist.
"to have peace you must prepare for war..."
It is justifiable to attack another nation who can potentially harbor ill intentions towards you, though there isn't a complete and evident justification that everyone can agree upon.
Option A says that we should fight it.carnkhan4 said:
The latter applies to Washington's quote, "To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." It basically means that we should have guns, but probably not use them. It's a lot like Cold War mentality with arms races and all that. There wasn't much fighting between the US and Russia directly because they were afraid of each other.
Your definition of justifiable offences is the same as 'War is only there for defence' then surely??!Arsen said:
War over land or war for power is evil, war to liberate and war to protect can be a necessary evil.
The problem is that war is never black and white, taking a look at israel right now it would seem they are trying to protect their citizens but some of the reported things havent exactly cast them in a favourable light. The real problem is that noone knows the real truth, noone can know what the people in charge are thinking and even good intentions can result in terrible consequences.
To quote fallout 3 because i can 'War, war never changes'
The problem is that war is never black and white, taking a look at israel right now it would seem they are trying to protect their citizens but some of the reported things havent exactly cast them in a favourable light. The real problem is that noone knows the real truth, noone can know what the people in charge are thinking and even good intentions can result in terrible consequences.
To quote fallout 3 because i can 'War, war never changes'
In theory we should only have wars in the defence of our homes and to protect the vulnerable and innocent from harm.
Since we are in the real world and not the Command and Conquer universe, this is sadly often not the case (look at most of the wars that America has been in since WWII).
Since we are in the real world and not the Command and Conquer universe, this is sadly often not the case (look at most of the wars that America has been in since WWII).
I believe it was Robert E. Lee who said, "It is a good thing war is so horrible, or we would grow too fond of it!" Meaning, war isn't going anywhere. Thing is, war is the defining aspect of the human race. Forget technology. Forget intelligence. War is the father of invention, necessity the mother. Technology is a child of war. Intelligence is applicable to most species, whereas humans conceptualize, which is different.
Even we atheists can respect bible passages to universal topics (war, hunger, etc.). In the Civil War, a lot of people in the North didn't like Lincoln waging war against the South and his approval ratings plummeted. Today, he's considered by many people to be the best President we've ever had.darthzew said:
War is often useful in maintaining the status quo, or for changing from a "Unenlightened" society to an even more "successful" one. Some wars erupt from want of resources, differences in religion or human greed, and it's these wars that should be stopped. If the war will serve a just cause (and it's not always easy to tell), it's probably necessary for the benefit of... something. More than anything, though, a war should be used to preserve a unified peace in the grand scheme of things.
While we're adding quotes: "The most disadvantageous peace is better than the most just war" - Desiderius Erasmus.
While we're adding quotes: "The most disadvantageous peace is better than the most just war" - Desiderius Erasmus.
Well if we look at war throughout the eons its mostly been based on a few things:
1. "You have something I want, give it to us or we'll kill you"
2. "What you worship is wrong, worship what we worship or we'll kill you."
3. "We don't like what you look like, we're going to kill you"
Those are pretty much the top 3 reasons...
1. "You have something I want, give it to us or we'll kill you"
2. "What you worship is wrong, worship what we worship or we'll kill you."
3. "We don't like what you look like, we're going to kill you"
Those are pretty much the top 3 reasons...
