Poll: Your Pet is Drowning, and so is a Stranger.
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The Milgram Obedience Experiment shows you could probably save yourself the $10.BiscuitTrouser said:
I'd save the stranger. It would hurt, and I'd be bawling, but it's the right thing to do.
It helps that my dog is fourteen and senile, but still.
It helps that my dog is fourteen and senile, but still.
I understand and respect people who choose the animal but also care for the person. However you said:imahobbit4062 said:
"I have no reason to care for those I don't even know." Yeah? So why is the 2000 people worth more to you than the 10 dollars? What motivation do you have to choose them over the 10 dollars when you admitted in the paragraph above that you dont care about them at all. If you dont care about them at all why are they worth something to you? Like 10 dollars?
You have contradicted yourself. In one paragraph you claim random humans have no value. In the other you claim they are worth more than 10 dollars. So they have no value but are worth more than 10 dollars to you? You cant have it both ways.
Well, my cat is pretty small, I'm sure she can hold onto my back while we go over to the stranger. If I really had no choice but to let one drown, I'd probably save my pet. Selfish, but it's just what my instant response would be. If I were to assess the situation for an hour (without either of them drowning in that hour), I'd still do the cat, cats have a way lower chance of survival in the water, most humans can swim or at least paddle a little.
I'd save my pet. My pet is more important to me. My pet would never be in that situation anyway, but if they were I'd save my pet. I know, I know, I'm a hideous monster since I didn't save the human. But I just don't care. Call me a sociopath if you want, but I love my pets. My whole family love my pets. If I saved the stranger I would probably punch their lights out for the situation and sit and regret saving them for the rest of my life. I won't add something cynical like "I hate humanity" because I don't. I just care about my pets a lot more than I do about strangers. Don't call the people who chose their animals "sick" and "wrong", it's very wrong of you to do that, some people have strong attachments to their pets rather than some person they don't know.
Wasn't going to weigh in seeing as the OP ha already decided everyone who disagrees with them is an utter bastard, but what the hell.
I'd have to go with my cat, and even that's pushing it as I've got a crippling phobia about drowning (yet I'm a strong swimmer, go figure).
I'd have to go with my cat, and even that's pushing it as I've got a crippling phobia about drowning (yet I'm a strong swimmer, go figure).
You've assigned a value for them that's over 10 dollars. Therefor to some degree you have to care about them.imahobbit4062 said:
You have contradicted yourself. In one paragraph you claim random humans have no value. In the other you claim they are worth more than 10 dollars. So they have no value but are worth more than 10 dollars to you? You cant have it both ways. Either you dont care about them at all and their lives are worthless (ergo the 10 dollars is worth more to you) or you do care about them and their lives are worth more than 10 dollars. You care about personal gain. You claim not to care about random people. And yet in my scenario you choose people over personal gain? Its confusing me.
I would save the pet. Why? Because that is a random stranger in the pool/ocean/clouds/whatever the fuck. I have had my pet for years, she is part of my family, I love that damned dog to bits! I would/will be just as sad as when she dies as I would for any other family member. Why? Because she IS a family member, to us.
Now compare:
A random person I don't know, have NO reason to be looking after said stranger, got HIMSELF/HERSELF into said problem, it is not in any way my fault. It is hers/his and she/he will be ranked lower than a family member.
Listen, you know those ads on TV about swimming? Always watch out, have an adult to guard the kiddies ect. ect. They do NOT say "Oh don't worry, I'm sure if trouble strikes a random stranger will take full responsibility for what has happened and sacrifice something that is very close to their heart just to save him/her."
Now, in your replies to other posts, I have seen you dismiss people as sociopaths or monsters, or just say "I don't need to explain it". Sorry bud, you really do. You bring up a topic of discussion, you have to discuss it.
Just for note:
I WOULD save the man/woman if they were drowning/whatever and it didn't put myself, family, friends or a greater number of people at risk than one person. When you get your boat licence, they tell you pretty clearly, "It's better for one person to die than two."
Now compare:
A random person I don't know, have NO reason to be looking after said stranger, got HIMSELF/HERSELF into said problem, it is not in any way my fault. It is hers/his and she/he will be ranked lower than a family member.
Listen, you know those ads on TV about swimming? Always watch out, have an adult to guard the kiddies ect. ect. They do NOT say "Oh don't worry, I'm sure if trouble strikes a random stranger will take full responsibility for what has happened and sacrifice something that is very close to their heart just to save him/her."
Now, in your replies to other posts, I have seen you dismiss people as sociopaths or monsters, or just say "I don't need to explain it". Sorry bud, you really do. You bring up a topic of discussion, you have to discuss it.
Just for note:
I WOULD save the man/woman if they were drowning/whatever and it didn't put myself, family, friends or a greater number of people at risk than one person. When you get your boat licence, they tell you pretty clearly, "It's better for one person to die than two."
Don't have a pet, and I can't swim... So I'd like to say I'd attempt to save the stranger, by giving him/her something to grab on to. I'd do the same for the pet provided it was able to grab on to something.
And your assertions or conclusions on this topic are what? What in your mind do these results tell you? How do you feel now that you arrived at this answer?Pandabearparade said:
You've failed to consider that this might be a negotation tactic to get more than $10.BiscuitTrouser said:
No question. I love my pets, I feel bad for the stranger, and I'd save them if I could, but my pet comes first.
Given the choice between affection or morality, I'd go for affection, every time.
Given the choice between affection or morality, I'd go for affection, every time.
I want to say the way that this poll is being conducted is cruel and biased. The OP clearly states how he has contempt towards people who would save an animal over a person and mentions in his post, inadvertently colouring peoples true opinions on a subconscious level.
I also don't like how the OP can judge people who would choose an animal (who's background he/she has no idea of) for all we know could be a life long pet that has become in some way part of the family.
My pet has become one of the family, I don't know the person drowning, my family would be devastated if I had to deliver the news that the pet is dead and so would they. Does that make me selfish? I don't know. Maybe, but don't you dare look down on me or even attempt to pass judgement on it because I won't stand for it.
Bit of a rant, sorry. I just don't like the OP's wording in the first and subsequent posts.
I also don't like how the OP can judge people who would choose an animal (who's background he/she has no idea of) for all we know could be a life long pet that has become in some way part of the family.
My pet has become one of the family, I don't know the person drowning, my family would be devastated if I had to deliver the news that the pet is dead and so would they. Does that make me selfish? I don't know. Maybe, but don't you dare look down on me or even attempt to pass judgement on it because I won't stand for it.
Bit of a rant, sorry. I just don't like the OP's wording in the first and subsequent posts.
I'd tie the rope to a solid anchor and then to myself. Then I'd head into the whirlpool, aiming for my pet. The rope trailing behind ought to cross the human's path on his/her way around the whirlpool, and they can catch it.
Save pet and human.
If the only option presented was to just jump in and try to out-swim a whirlpool, then I'd just beat my fists on the ground and be very sorry. I doubt the veracity of anyone swimming out of a whirlpool. Least of all with a struggling, panicking person/animal in tow.
Your poll is a little misleading. Allow me to help you make it adequately express both your feelings on the matter and the reality of the hypothetical situation you posit.
A) You jump in to save your pet and die with it.
B) You jump in to save the stranger, and die with him/her.
C) Shoot yourself in the head to save time.
D) You stand on the shore and watch them both die while lamenting your impotence. By the way, Jesus hates you for your inaction and reasonable sense of self-preservation. *guilt guilt guilt*
See how much more straightforward that is? And you get to feel satisfyingly righteous while you're at it! Win win!
Save pet and human.
If the only option presented was to just jump in and try to out-swim a whirlpool, then I'd just beat my fists on the ground and be very sorry. I doubt the veracity of anyone swimming out of a whirlpool. Least of all with a struggling, panicking person/animal in tow.
Your poll is a little misleading. Allow me to help you make it adequately express both your feelings on the matter and the reality of the hypothetical situation you posit.
A) You jump in to save your pet and die with it.
B) You jump in to save the stranger, and die with him/her.
C) Shoot yourself in the head to save time.
D) You stand on the shore and watch them both die while lamenting your impotence. By the way, Jesus hates you for your inaction and reasonable sense of self-preservation. *guilt guilt guilt*
See how much more straightforward that is? And you get to feel satisfyingly righteous while you're at it! Win win!