Simmer down bruh. We get you value humans over anything else and that's fine but you're 'disgusted', like are you really 'disgusted'? Besides, somebody made a post very similar to this one about a billion times in the thread so just read those and you'll get your fill of flameradeclippen05 said:
Poll: Your Pet is Drowning, and so is a Stranger.
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Where am I going with this? You said you were "bothered" that:Mikejames said:
"people are claiming indifference to a stranger's life as opposed to their pet's. An animal that wouldn't realize or care if someone died so it could live."
This bothers you, right? That I would risk my life to save my dog, a beloved member of my family, over that of a complete stranger. You and so many others here are taken aback by this.
To which I say again: thousands upon thousands of innocent children are starving to death at this very moment. You have the means to save at least one, if not several of them, right now. You can swear off every luxury item in your possession. Every penny you earn that is not critically essential to your survival can be sent to these children to spare them such an agonizing fate.
Giving away this money IS both a long-term solution and an immediate one. Some of these children could live for decades with a few thousand American dollars. Further, none of this is exclusive to working with a relief organization. You can do both!
After all, it's just *things*, items solely for your entertainment. Surely you would not argue that these things you own are more important than the lives of innocent children, right?
So, assuming you're not going to do any of this - that you're going to keep your toys, your money, and everything else that makes you happy to save these poor kids - Why don't you explain WHY you're not going to do so? Explain why your personal possessions are more important than children's' lives, and then maybe knowing that a lot of people value their pet's lives over strangers won't bother you so much anymore.
People stop associating pets as "Animals" and begin associating them as "Members of your family" relatively quickly.
Thus the question is equivalent to "Would you save a family member or a stranger"?
I'd save my pet who has never, ever been in a position to learn how to swim, whereas people have countless opportunities throughout life to learn how to swim.
Thus the question is equivalent to "Would you save a family member or a stranger"?
I'd save my pet who has never, ever been in a position to learn how to swim, whereas people have countless opportunities throughout life to learn how to swim.
My pets, in a way, saved my freakin' life. I love them, I adore them. They're not just animals, they're family.
So yes I'd save them over a stranger.
So yes I'd save them over a stranger.
You're welcome, and thank you too.DugMachine said:First, i'd like to thank you for replying in a civilized manner and not hurling insults of 'monstrous' or 'immature'... even though my reply to you was a bit aggressive, sorry
I do see your point. I value humans and even when they're scum of the earth, if they're not about to kill me I would rather them just be in prison and not a danger to society. I don't believe executions solve anything except some slight satisfaction that goes away after awhile.
And honestly same with pets, I've had many pets and over the years a few have died. I loved all my animals dearly and went through serious bouts of depression cause I always felt that it was my fault, but it passes so no losing your pet will not cause this giant hole in your life that will never be filled again.
But in a spur of the moment my instincts would tell me to jump in for my pet. If I could i'd save the stranger but seeing as this scenario makes us choose one or the other i'm just going with what i'd realistically do. Now how I coped with it after the fact is a different story.
Anyways, I like your take on things. You're nice
I completely understand your point as well.
When I watched my dad accidentally run over the dog I was raised with thought I would never get over it, but I did.
Now I like cats.
As a wee lad, I was taught to fear strangers.
As a teenager, I learned to not give a fuck about strangers.
I'm saving my goddamn Cat.
As a teenager, I learned to not give a fuck about strangers.
I'm saving my goddamn Cat.
If there is a option to scream for someone who can swim better than you, can't you scream so that he/she saves the person, and you save your pet?
Also, what kind of pet do you have that can't swim? A stone?
Also, what kind of pet do you have that can't swim? A stone?
If there is no extreme incentive to act differently, I would save my pet.
The stranger is not in my monkey-sphere, hence I don't care.
If there's time afterwards, of course I'd save both.
I don't care about what society or anyone thinks, but I value all life equally (with the exception of hatred towards wasps and mosquitos, which is based only on bad experience, and flaws the statement I just made, but I'm not perfect, deal with it), a human is no better than an animal, in my opinion, we ARE animals, just with a brain capacity that makes me worry at times.
And as I value humans no higher than animals, my guts would decide on who to save, and my guts tell me to save those in my monkey-sphere first. And my family, friends and pets have the VIP spots in there.
The stranger is not in my monkey-sphere, hence I don't care.
If there's time afterwards, of course I'd save both.
I don't care about what society or anyone thinks, but I value all life equally (with the exception of hatred towards wasps and mosquitos, which is based only on bad experience, and flaws the statement I just made, but I'm not perfect, deal with it), a human is no better than an animal, in my opinion, we ARE animals, just with a brain capacity that makes me worry at times.
And as I value humans no higher than animals, my guts would decide on who to save, and my guts tell me to save those in my monkey-sphere first. And my family, friends and pets have the VIP spots in there.
Eh.. To me, this is dependent on the mind set of the person in the situation. If you choose morals over love and affection, or vice versa. It also sort of depends on the pet too, like how long have you been with them, what they've done, etc. As much as one choice over the other might disgust you or anyone else, it's how that person thinks. It might be wrong in someone elses eyes, but it's right in theirs. You can call them a dumb ass whos brain is replaced with coconuts, but it won't change anything in their eyes. Plus, this is all happening in the heat of the moment right? You don't really have time to sit back and think "Hmm well that guy might discover the cure for aids, or he can be a murderer.. Then again, my dog might die tomorrow..". You're probably going to end up quickly deciding if its morality over love, or love over morality, and making your mind up and going with that.
With me though, I'm not even that good of a swimmer, so I probably wouldn't even get in the whirlpool in the first place. Would up killing all 3 of us. I would call 911 though.
I do like the question though, made me think, so thank you for that, even though its apparently caused a flame war. I'll just raise my shield and quietly leave through the back door.
Captcha: Angel Wings. That can come in handy in this situation..
With me though, I'm not even that good of a swimmer, so I probably wouldn't even get in the whirlpool in the first place. Would up killing all 3 of us. I would call 911 though.
I do like the question though, made me think, so thank you for that, even though its apparently caused a flame war. I'll just raise my shield and quietly leave through the back door.
Captcha: Angel Wings. That can come in handy in this situation..
I am shocked after I voted to see more people would save their pets over a human being. A person with infinitely more potential to their lives. You don't know if that person is a murderer or a life-saving brain surgeon - but because you don't know that, it is exactly why you should save them - but exactly how many people are murderers to normal human beings?
Escapists, I are disappoint.
Escapists, I are disappoint.
Your argument doesn't have basis if you're already guilty of everything you're accusing me of.jordanredd said:
So I'd appreciate if you'd stop avoiding points of the actual topic trying to turn this into a red herring on whether personal wealth indicates sociopathic tendencies.
I'd save my pet. I love my pet while this stranger is well a stranger. I have no connection towards them aside from being in the same species. Besides it's a whirlpool I have a better chance of saving my pet than a human who weights a lot more. Though if it is someone I can save why the hell can't I add the extra 7 pounds my pet would weight? I'd try to save both of them if I could.
It just seems a bit weird that youd try your hardest to get someone to disagree with you in that situation "Please dont think the way i think!". What would be even more ironic is if the person who would have saved you was convinced by your post here in the escapist to adopt your world view and thus wouldnt save you. If anything the only logical thing to do is to try your hardest to convince everyone its only right to save the human while secretly saving the dog just so youre sure when it comes down to it that someone will save you.an874 said:
People say this but i always find it pretty funny to think about the consequences.Elric_de_Melnibone said:
For example if you had to choose between a blind flat worm and a human niether of which you know would you pick the human 50% of the time? Would you really need to think about it? What about a mayfly? If you had to choose who had to die, a mayfly or a human would you consider picking the mayfly? I think we all value some animals above other animals and accept life isnt always equal. For example unless youre vegan you obviously value a taste over the life of another creature which you say is equal to you.
I does have basis because I'm not passing judgement on those that would save a stranger's life over their pet's life. But there are a hell of a lot of people who think I and others are disgusting monsters for saying we would do the opposite. You're not one of the worst, but the judgement is there.Mikejames said:
Bottom line, to anyone who would "accuse" someone of placing more value on their pet's life: take a look around. Unless you're living like a monk, having donated every last bit of your cash and belongings to save every innocent starving child's life you possibly can, then all of your arguments about a human's life having "intrinsic" value are horseshit.
Someone who won't even give up their damn iPhone to save a stranger's life isn't going to lecture me because I won't let my dog die to do the same. And with that, I'm done here.
You don't understand the difference between not contributing to a charity, and actively allowing someone to die for the sake of a house pet?jordanredd said:
I'm just asking people to understand the extent of a relationship with an animal. You would knowingly ignore a person's pleas for help, be willing to let a child lose their mother or for a parent to lose their child, just so that a cat can run around your legs for a few more years?
