Poll: You're wrong and I can prove it

[TheIronRuler]

I edited the opening post:

Opinions can be about women's rights, socio-economic policy, Gay's rights, minority rights, racism, God in politics, etc. I want to hear you people!

 

[Krantos]

Yes. I've held different Core values in the past. Why should I think I won't some day in the future?

An old Girlfriend I had bugged me to abstraction with the way she firmly held to her beliefs, while admitting that she'd held different beliefs in the past. Specifically, she was born Catholic and, when presented with other denominations, insisted (at the time) Catholicism was the only right way to go. After she had eventually 'converted' to another denomination of Christianity, she insisted THAT was the only right way. When I pointed out that (according to her) she'd been wrong in the past, which meant she could just as easily be wrong now, she got pissed at me.

Yeah, she's one of the reasons that I, while still being a Christian, don't associate myself much with christian organizations.

 

[Navvan]

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"What will make you admit a mistake you've made?"

Any solid evidence that it was a mistake. I likely won't broadcast it unless asked though.

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?

See above

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?

Proof that my opinion was wrong.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist? (Applies to any socio-economic policy, so answer if you're not either and state your world view in this matter)

Strong evidence that supports the success of the model in improving the quality of life for the most people.

And finally, can you even imagine yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?

Yes and no. There are certain views I know I will never hold. For example I will never think that we should enslave other sapient creatures. Other things are more flexible, but would require a great deal evidence that contradicts current evidence.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I can and have changed many opinions, but some I believe are absolute.

I can't see any situation where I think the death penalty is a just and fair punishment.

I can't see any situations where I think low levels of gun control will be a good idea.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I can and have changed many opinions, but some I believe are absolute.

I can't see any situation where I think the death penalty is a just and fair punishment.

I can't see any situations where I think low levels of gun control will be a good idea.

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How do you define "low leves of gun control"?

 

[RyuujinZERO]

Being late 20's now I can look back and say I've already changed my stance on past topics... mostly in bad ways. But, change nonetheless. I don't doubt future experiences will make me change stances again.

I'm always open to hearing other people's points of view and, have even been swayed by them


Examples:

Then: Implicit trust of authority, afterall, we're the good guys and the law is the right thing!
Now: Deep distrust of all governments. Thinks British government looks increasingly like the Empire out of Star Wars.

Then: Dad is highly homophobic, grew up homophobic
Now: Have a number of gay friends and quite supportive of them now I know them as people.

Then: Tolerant of religions in the face of my own atheism
Now: Fed up of seeing research blocked, red tape added to law and people slaughtered worldwide in the name of imaginary gods.

Then: They should just ban gun ownership in America
Now: Generally... they should. But this isn't a clear cut situation anymore. The culture and supply is too widespread to just cut off cold turkey. Better legislation is a start point

 

[Ledan]

Philosophy and Science. They can change my view on things often enough.

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?
My own realization or a logical argument with proof showing that it was my fault.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?
I can change my mind due to evidence or logic that isn't faulty. I firmly believe from what I've seen that I will never believe in any god short of them appearing physically before me and proving their status.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

Nothing. I don't think absolute views are the solution. We're in an imperfect world so there is no perfect answer.

And finally, can you even imagin yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?
Yes. Has happened before and I've seen it happen to other people.

 

[TheIronRuler]

Philosophy and Science. They can change my view on things often enough.

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?
My own realization or a logical argument with proof showing that it was my fault.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?
I can change my mind due to evidence or logic that isn't faulty. I firmly believe from what I've seen that I will never believe in any god short of them appearing physically before me and proving their status.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

Nothing. I don't think absolute views are the solution. We're in an imperfect world so there is no perfect answer.

And finally, can you even imagin yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?
Yes. Has happened before and I've seen it happen to other people.

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You're saying that you adhere to logic and proof, but could a strong experience change your world view?

 

[Ledan]

Philosophy and Science. They can change my view on things often enough.

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?
My own realization or a logical argument with proof showing that it was my fault.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?
I can change my mind due to evidence or logic that isn't faulty. I firmly believe from what I've seen that I will never believe in any god short of them appearing physically before me and proving their status.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

Nothing. I don't think absolute views are the solution. We're in an imperfect world so there is no perfect answer.

And finally, can you even imagin yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?
Yes. Has happened before and I've seen it happen to other people.

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You're saying that you adhere to logic and proof, but could a strong experience change your world view?

I would question it and doubt it if it was only a personal experience. I could reason that it was chemicals and emotions, not anything supernatural. Same as I would reason if someone else told me of strong experiences with religion. Of other strong experiences, they would affect me but I try to doubt emotion based arguments.

 

[geK0]

I have a lot of opinions, but very few "core" beliefs. I'm sort of unassertive, indecisive and apathetic like that; I don't claim have the answers, I don't care to find the answers and I've never really bothered to adopt a system of ideologies. So I picked the fourth answer.

 

[TheIronRuler]

Evidence, in all cases.
I don't know what to say, other than evidence is what it's about.

I couldn't really see my core values changing, because "evidence and rationality" are pretty much my core values.

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You don't see your life changed due to any strange or extraordinary events?
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I have a lot of opinions, but very few "core" beliefs. I'm sort of unassertive, indecisive and apathetic like that; I don't claim have the answers, I don't care to find the answers and I've never really bothered to adopt a system of ideologies. So I picked the fourth answer.

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You're open for new ideas, but you have a few that define you. Can you see yourself as an entirely different person in the future?

 

[Jonluw]

Evidence, in all cases.
I don't know what to say, other than evidence is what it's about.

I couldn't really see my core values changing, because "evidence and rationality" are pretty much my core values.

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You don't see your life changed due to any strange or extraordinary events?

If there is no evidence to support the event, I very well can't let it change the way I view things, can I?
And if the event is supported by evidence, it doesn't change my core values.

i.e. I consider only holding the core value that (important) opinions on the nature of things must be based in evidence and/or rationality fairly waterproof.

 

[geK0]

I have a lot of opinions, but very few "core" beliefs. I'm sort of unassertive, indecisive and apathetic like that; I don't claim have the answers, I don't care to find the answers and I've never really bothered to adopt a system of ideologies. So I picked the fourth answer.

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You're open for new ideas, but you have a few that define you. Can you see yourself as an entirely different person in the future?

It would probably take a significant traumatic event, but yea it's possible.

 

[miketehmage]

I recently came to a realisation that everyones core beliefs are subjective to their previous experiences.

This was roughly the same time i became open to abandoning my own and opening my mind to others, so

I won't reject any possibility unless there is hard evidence disproving it.

And I won't accept any possibility unless there is hard evidence proving it.

I'm fairly agnostic in all areas.

 

[FolkLikePanda]

Well I have changed my opinions quite a lot, I mean when I was younger I though all gays should die because they were disgusting but now I'm a bit (if not a lot, if not absolutely) more lenient towards gays, (I'd vote for approving gay marriage if it were an option though I'm still creeped out about two dudes kissing).

And also before I completely didn't believe in God and used to ridicule anyone who believed in a religion for wasting their time on something that didn't exist, but now I'm more tolerable even to the point where I think there could be God (though not in the way the Bible or any other religious writing describes him, I'd probably see it more as a being that has no control over what happens and therefore you shouldn't worship it because it doesn't care and can't do anything anyway) though I know its more than likely that one doesn't exist.

Though there are things that I have kept such as thinking some people who claim to represent entire ethnic minorities should shut up and respect the land they live on if they are being disrespectful to our culture, I don't care too much about global warming, I would never vote Liberal Democrat (nor Labour or Conservative) and I believe prisoners who are doing time for harsh crimes (e.g. murders, rape, paedophillia etc.) should have harsher punishments (not capital punishment but be made to live in a living hell) if they are found 100% guilty (though I know this could possibly never happen since there's always the slight chance that they are innocent).

Despite whatever positives and negatives you may find in this post I understand that I can be quite insecure and vengeful, though I will get along with anyone but I despise and have no respect people who hate me for no reason (if they give me a good reason then I will still hate them but give them respect) and I know people are entitled to their opinion. I know people can be sorry and feel guilt about things they've done (I've done stupid things in the past) but some things are completely non-excusable for.

BTW can anyone tell me if my views are Lefty or Righty or whatever because I get confused with this kind of shite.

 

[Soviet Steve]

I used to be a superstitious Christian anti-intellectual.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I used to be a superstitious Christian anti-intellectual.

What are you now? How do you feine yourself nowadays?

 

[IamQ]

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?

I don't think there's really anything in particular. Well maybe. I guess it could be when I know I can't conjure up a lie good enough to make it seem that I'm right. Although that doesn't happen as much now-a-days. I've become more open about things like that. Which I am glad for.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?

Good manners more often than not. I am dangerously biased at times, mostly because often, the people with the good points, present them horribly. I don't care if you have a point or that you are 100% right, you're being extremely rude, so fuck off. I've often found myself defending arguments that I know are wrong, just because they have a nicer attitude when talking about them.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

I don't know yet. Neither of them has yet to convince me. They need to keep patching them. Still in the beta. I heard patch 8.7 is coming out soon.

And finally, can you even imagine yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?

If you read the entire post, you know the answer.

 

[Torrasque]

Answer a bunch of questions for me! MWA HA HA HA HA!
Oh my, this will take a little while to answer *cracks fingers*
"What will make you admit a misake you've made?"
I will happily admit that I have made a mistake if I am provided enough proof showing that I am wrong. The more concrete I am in my opinions, the more evidence I require to shake my opinion and/or change my opinion entirely. What also works on me, is strong enough questions about my convictions; when that happens, I am inclined to answer those questions and re-affirm my convictions. For example, Ghost in the Shell made me question my humanity and existence (a rather shaky period of my life) by asking enough questions about my humanity and existence. It was a lot of fun.

So to sum up, sufficient evidence works the best, but... would questioning myself be considered strong emotions or a special experience? *shrug* Either way, questioning myself is usually the result of sufficient evidence, but I don't always need evidence to question myself.

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?Usually I'll admit it to myself eventually if I think it is a mistake, but that requires internal arguing (I'm not crazy, I swear!). What makes me admit to a mistake I've done in the past to someone that acuses me of making of mistake in the past? Like before, convincing evidence works. The greater the magnitude of the mistake and/or how likely I think I am to be proven guilty of making said mistake, determine how much evidence it takes for someone to convince me of my wrong-doing.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?I'm assuming this is the religion question.
Since I am an atheist--someone that does not believe there is a god due to a lack of evidence--then I would change my mind if there was evidence to change my mind. To be honest, I wouldn't require that much evidence to believe in god, I would just require some evidence that isn't tautological or complete bullshit.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist? (Applies to any socio-economic policy, so answer if you're not either and state your wolrd view in this matter)
Ehhhhh... I'll avoid this question because my political and socio-economic policies are a little long-winded and hard to explain.

And finally, can you even imagin yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view? Opinions can be about women's rights, socio-economic policy, Gay's rights, minority rights, racism, God in politics, etc. I want to hear you people!Well Ghost in the Shell made me change my mind about humanity and existence, so it is only logical that any of my opinions could be changed provided the proper amount and type of evidence. For example, I could come to hate homosexuals if I go through some horrible experience with homosexuals, iono its hard to say. So yeah, I can imagine myself holding different opinions in just about anything.
I think it is stupid and intellectually irresponsible to have a rigid opinion about just about anything. There is always going to be a "what if..." situation where your rigid opinion will be incorrect. Period.

I'll be happy to answer any more of your questions if want.

 

[Soviet Steve]

I used to be a superstitious Christian anti-intellectual.

What are you now? How do you feine yourself nowadays?

Agnostic, I try to be a skeptic, I try to be pragmatic, I start at university this monday.