Polygamy

[OmniscientOstrich]

Both my girls came to me of their own free will. They choose to belong to me, to be my property yes. However, our lifestyle is not just a bedroom thing, its something we do in our lives as a whole, they never stop being my slaves, unless they opt to leave.

0_0 I hope that's hyperbole...

Anyway, I don't see a problem with people having polyamorous relationships but with polygamy I pose the same question that I do to marriage...What's the point? What difference does it make? I'd have thought especially in this case, you would have already abandoned convention to start with in this kind of relationship, I mean do people in ployamorous relationships actually want to get married? I can't imagine there's any kind of demand for this.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Most people don't even have a solid idea of what polygamy entails. They hear the word and think of certain religious sects who marry off their underage girls.

As someone whose never limited themselves to one relationship at a time unless asked to, I've encountered that mentality a lot.

I won't go off on the long-winded ramble here unless someone asks, but...The big issues with Polygamy being legal Re: marriage are the "moral" issues religious people have with it and a lack of understanding.

And possibly a tax issue, as someone mentioned upthread, but...That would seem simple enough to solve to me: Make it so only one marriage can be declared as each spouse's tax status. *shrugpony*

 

[Mischa87]

It's not illegal to love more than one person, it's illegal to MARRY more than one person in most places. I've been in a poly relationship, I have friends who are also poly. It's alive an well, and I've found that most people open-minded enough to be in a poly relationship don't need some paper, or some deity to validate their love (Marriage) Obviously marriage has it's uses, with insurance benefits and all.

Personally (And not just saying this as a person who is poly, but as a rational human being) That they should make it legal, it's not hurting anyone. I always follow the BDSM motto, SSC, Safe, Sane, Consensual, if that's all there, then there should be no one stopping it.

 

[Liquid Paradox]

I was in a polygamist relationship once. It was... horrible. It's possable that it could work out, but watching your partner make out or have sex with another individual is a very degrading experience for me.

He kisses her, tells her he loves her. Every now and then he turns to me and smiles, even while she snuggles her, and when he does this, her own smile becomes a temporary scowl. How dare I take his attention away from her, even for a second? Later, he begins to strip her of her cloths. I understand that this is her night, her birthday, but it feels... wrong. Still, I haven't been asked to leave, and as they make love in from of me, I wonder if it would be more rude to stay or go. I stay, because part of me loves him, and watch him give all his passion to another. Later, she's asleep, and he's curled up in my lap. He tells me that I'm handsome. That my eyes are beautiful. He kisses me, and he tastes like her. He say's that he's so glad we can all just love each other, that were not bound by the chains of monogamous relationships. I have kissed her, but I don't love her the way I love him, and she feels the same way about me. I don't resent her; I knew what I was getting into, but I think that she resents me. He tells me that he loves me. The same words he told her. I fucking hate him.

Yeah. That was an experience. Thank god it was short lived. Fuck Polygamy.

Me and my fiancee sometimes bring women we both find attractive in for some no strings physical "fun", we can separate our love for each other from the purely physical act happening at the time. Seems to work fine to me.

Just wondering... would you do that with men as well? Not being a troll, I'm just curious.

 

[Hitokiri_Gensai]

Both my girls came to me of their own free will. They choose to belong to me, to be my property yes. However, our lifestyle is not just a bedroom thing, its something we do in our lives as a whole, they never stop being my slaves, unless they opt to leave.

0_0 I hope that's hyperbole...

Anyway, I don't see a problem with people having polyamorous relationships but with polygamy I pose the same question that I do to marriage...What's the point? What difference does it make? I'd have thought especially in this case, you would have already abandoned convention to start with in this kind of relationship, I mean do people in ployamorous relationships actually want to get married? I can't imagine there's any kind of demand for this.

its not.

 

[Jorias]

Polygamy or Polyandry (1 woman many men) SHOULDN'T be practiced by any civilization yet i think. We (humans) still try to kill each other over stupid things, we still segregate groups of people based on pre-determined factors that pretty much have nothing to do with anything relavent.

So yea until we eliminate war, and prejudice i say sticking to 1 wife/husband is the way to go, cuz as a human race we can't handle the poly's pure and simple.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Snip

Dude, this forum exists for a reason:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/index/528-Religion-and-Politics


This is like the fifth religious/political thread in off topic in the last 2 days.

It's a matter of legalities. It's not really a religious OR political thing in my eyes.

Isn't say "a matter of legalities" another way of saying "political issues"?

 

[Princess Rose]

Besides, we're still working on gay marriage here. One step at a time.

True... and that one's far more unjust...

But still...

Oh, I know. I've argued long and loudly about gay rights - particularly the right to gay marriage.

On polygamous marriage - the thing is, it has often been used to oppress women, so I'm of mixed opinions on it. But, as you point out, there is a certain parallel between gay marriage rights and polygamous/polyandrous marriage rights. **sigh**

This is too complicated for me to think about tonight. ^^;;

Edit: Crap, I forgot that polygamy didn't cover both genders. Fixed.

 

[Draconalis]

What's the point? What difference does it make? I'd have thought especially in this case, you would have already abandoned convention to start with in this kind of relationship, I mean do people in ployamorous relationships actually want to get married? I can't imagine there's any kind of demand for this.

There are legal benefits to marriage. Not even taking into account tax breaks, which apparently might be an argument against it, let's say that 3 people are married, 2 of the 3 people die due to an accident. That last person doesn't have to go through miles of red tape and BS to inherit whatever the other two left behind, be it life insurance, pension, or physical possession.

Hell... that very reason is why *I* got married. I didn't want the government screwing my wife out of anything just because we weren't married.

 

[spartan231490]

So... There are people in the world that can, and do share love among groups. There are married couples with open relationships because they understand the difference between love and lust.

There are groups of people that love each other as a couple would? Triples, if you will. (I need to TM that word!)

Something I've never really understood, and no one has ever given me a satisfying answer too...

Why is Polygamy (Having multiple marriage partners) illegal? (Strictly US, I don't know the stance on other countries)

Is it purely a prudish religion thing? (The answer I most often get, but NEVER satisfies me... ever) Or is there actual legal backing behind it?

It's illegal in the us because of taxes. Marriage screws with taxes, and usually(but not always) allows you to pay less income tax. That's why polygamy is illegal, the US gov't doesn't want you shaving your taxes more than once.

 

[cookyy2k]

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Me and my fiancee sometimes bring women we both find attractive in for some no strings physical "fun", we can separate our love for each other from the purely physical act happening at the time. Seems to work fine to me.

Just wondering... would you do that with men as well? Not being a troll, I'm just curious.

Noooo, I'm straight and she just doesn't (or atleast says she doesn't) want other men. She's always been more into women than men anyways.

 

[Iron Lightning]

So... There are people in the world that can, and do share love among groups. There are married couples with open relationships because they understand the difference between love and lust.

There are groups of people that love each other as a couple would? Triples, if you will. (I need to TM that word!)

Something I've never really understood, and no one has ever given me a satisfying answer too...

Why is Polygamy (Having multiple marriage partners) illegal? (Strictly US, I don't know the stance on other countries)

Is it purely a prudish religion thing? (The answer I most often get, but NEVER satisfies me... ever) Or is there actual legal backing behind it?

Well, the truth is that it's mostly due to stupid religious inspired prejudices. Religion still has its claws in a lot of governments worldwide.

Other than that the only reason not to have legal polygamy is that it would make tax forms more complicated and slightly more exploitable (at least before a few years pass for the loopholes intially opened to be closed.) That is, of course, a terrible reason not to allow people to form whatever social contracts they want.

While I see the institution of marriage as unnecessary, I do believe that all forms of marriage ought to be legal as long as all parties are legally consenting.

 

[cookyy2k]

Both my girls came to me of their own free will. They choose to belong to me, to be my property yes. However, our lifestyle is not just a bedroom thing, its something we do in our lives as a whole, they never stop being my slaves, unless they opt to leave.

0_0 I hope that's hyperbole...

Anyway, I don't see a problem with people having polyamorous relationships but with polygamy I pose the same question that I do to marriage...What's the point? What difference does it make? I'd have thought especially in this case, you would have already abandoned convention to start with in this kind of relationship, I mean do people in ployamorous relationships actually want to get married? I can't imagine there's any kind of demand for this.

its not.

Don't worry, I get this completely, I've been in several such relationships (I'm the dom in each) and My fiance is very submissive everywhere, She wears a locking collar and such.

 

[Draconalis]

Isn't say "a matter of legalities" another way of saying "political issues"?

Not in my mind, so much, but I can see your point.

Edit: Crap, I forgot that polygamy didn't cover both genders. Fixed.

I honestly forgot that it didn't cover both genders.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

its not.

I see...*backs away slowly*

There are legal benefits to marriage. Not even taking into account tax breaks, which apparently might be an argument against it, let's say that 3 people are married, 2 of the 3 people die due to an accident. That last person doesn't have to go through miles of red tape and BS to inherit whatever the other two left behind, be it life insurance, pension, or physical possession.

Hell... that very reason is why *I* got married. I didn't want the government screwing my wife out of anything just because we weren't married.

So it's purely legislative/fiscal then? Again, doesn't really seem worth it, that's the sort of thing you have life/health insurance for. I don't think wading through the ceremony seems worth it just to avoid a bit of paperwork.

 

[kinggamecat]

I believe it has some sort of tax issue or legal ramifications that can be taken advantage of, but I'm glad to see someone who understands what polygamy really is, most people think it's just some male dominated sexual power fantasy, it can work, but it's just hard not to feel equaly loved I imagine, due to our nature.

 

[Draconalis]

Noooo, I'm straight and she just doesn't (or atleast says she doesn't) want other men. She's always been more into women than men anyways.

Same with my wife and I... huh.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Personally, i have two slave girls, and a girlfriend, and im always looking for another slave so, im a polygamist

**blinks**

You mean "slave girls" as in S&M submissives who enjoy playing that role who you are in a relationship with, not... actual slaves, right?

Both my girls came to me of their own free will. They choose to belong to me, to be my property yes. However, our lifestyle is not just a bedroom thing, its something we do in our lives as a whole, they never stop being my slaves, unless they opt to leave.

Somehow I don't believe you in the slightest.

ok? thats fine.

I think we should show this person all the fucks we give. XD

My wife and I have a girlfriend. My wife is the s to my M. However, she is a switch and bisexual and I'm horny enough, so when it came up with our friend, she became our girlfriend with an interest with being slave to both of us. Fun stuff.

 

[cookyy2k]

Personally, i have two slave girls, and a girlfriend, and im always looking for another slave so, im a polygamist

**blinks**

You mean "slave girls" as in S&M submissives who enjoy playing that role who you are in a relationship with, not... actual slaves, right?

Both my girls came to me of their own free will. They choose to belong to me, to be my property yes. However, our lifestyle is not just a bedroom thing, its something we do in our lives as a whole, they never stop being my slaves, unless they opt to leave.

Somehow I don't believe you in the slightest.

ok? thats fine.

I think we should show this person all the fucks we give. XD

My wife and I have a girlfriend. My wife is the s to my M. However, she is a switch and bisexual and I'm horny enough, so when it came up with our friend, she became our girlfriend with an interest with being slave to both of us. Fun stuff.

S&M relationships are so much more fun than "normal" ones, and I couldn't give a toss about people who just don't "get it" judging me either.

 

[Draconalis]

So it's purely legislative/fiscal then? Again, doesn't really seem worth it, that's the sort of thing you have life/health insurance for. I don't think wading through the ceremony seems worth it just to avoid a bit of paperwork.

Hell, I'm married and I can't afford life insurance. Think about those who would like the protections marriage offers.

And the ceremony isn't worth mentioning. It's not really relevant to the conversation. I didn't have a ceremony when I got married. I went to a justice of the peace and finished up in 10 minutes once our turn came up.