Pony Science

[Aidinthel]

As long as we're overanalyzing FiM I may as well link this:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/02/24/my-little-pony-political-economy/

 

[Kyoufuu]

Actually the Princesses combine the features of Pegasus Ponies, Unicorns, and Earth Ponies. Earth Ponies are stronger, and non-unicorns have their own 'passive' magic, (such as Pegasus Ponies being able to stand on clouds, and it's implied earth ponies have some connection with the earth).

5. Pinkie sense is suddenly scrutinized by science from twilight, but everything else wrong with MLP isn't? Oh yeah we totally know ponies can fly and perform magic. That's science right there.

Yes, the general consensus is that Twilight was being a very bad scientist in that episode, trying to prove herself right as opposed to trying to discover what's actually happening.



Also Fluttershy is a tree and Applejack is made of dark matter.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Science? SCIENCE?!?!?


[sub]Science...[/sub]

OT: Pony genetics? On a children's show? There's taking things a bit too far. I kind of just imagined them all being created by a great Pony animator in the sky. There isn't any sexual reproduction in the canon universe to my knowledge.

As long as we're overanalyzing FiM I may as well link this:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/02/24/my-little-pony-political-economy/

Spoiler

What the internet won't spawn next...

 

[GeorgW]

Actually the Princesses combine the features of Pegasus Ponies, Unicorns, and Earth Ponies. Earth Ponies are stronger, and non-unicorns have their own 'passive' magic, (such as Pegasus Ponies being able to stand on clouds, and it's implied earth ponies have some connection with the earth).

Huh. Well, we'll see if we can work that out. If we have the energy, we'll add a third allele. But if that's the case, how come there aren't any alicorns?

Oh. My. God. I've seen a couple of episodes and I think they are Ok, but why this?

Is teh lulz an acceptable answer? These stuff happen when me and Liggly gets together. I kept pausing the show with genetic questions, we started discussing and one thing led to another. It's not like we spent hours on this when we should have been working on other things, we were bored and had an idea.

Thanks everybody for your replies and input, it means a lot that you guys seem to like it!

 

[Scorched_Cascade]

Thanks everybody for your replies and input, it means a lot that you guys seem to like it!

I don't know if you've seen this picture before but I feel like it belongs here. It's not genetics but physics. Someone calculated the physics behind the sonic rainbow at the cloudsdale competition [sub]and included tl;dr bits for us...less mathematically minded people[/sub]

Spoiler: Sonic Rainboom physics

I'm in two minds about it. On one hand I think it's awesome that Rainbow Dash is a physics defying badass and on the other I'm fairly sure she would have got pulped trying to pull that in the real world unless she has reinforced bones; as shes a Pegasus (and bird like) this is unlikely. Then again she can also hover upside down so take that physics!

 

[TimeLord]

I've always wondered how Ponies have an intergrated society without hands.

Magnets.

And magic!

OT: I've got nothing to add unfortunately. Although I like reading about this kind of stuff so Bookmarked

Thanks everybody for your replies and input, it means a lot that you guys seem to like it!

I don't know if you've seen this picture before but I feel like it belongs here. It's not genetics but physics. Someone calculated the physics behind the sonic rainbow at the cloudsdale competition [sub]and included tl;dr bits for us...less mathematically minded people[/sub]

Spoiler: Sonic Rainboom physics

I'm in two minds about it. On one hand I think it's awesome that Rainbow Dash is a physics defying badass and on the other I'm fairly sure she would have got pulped trying to pull that in the real world unless she has reinforced bones; as shes a Pegasus (and bird like) this is unlikely. Then again she can also hover upside down so take that physics!

We are talking about the same universe that had a piano, cart and anvil crush Twilight in 'Feeling Pinkie Keen'.

 

[GeorgW]

Thanks everybody for your replies and input, it means a lot that you guys seem to like it!

I don't know if you've seen this picture before but I feel like it belongs here. It's not genetics but physics. Someone calculated the physics behind the sonic rainbow at the cloudsdale competition [sub]and included tl;dr bits for us...less mathematically minded people[/sub]

Spoiler: Sonic Rainboom physics

I'm in two minds about it. On one hand I think it's awesome that Rainbow Dash is a physics defying badass and on the other I'm fairly sure she would have got pulped trying to pull that in the real world unless she has reinforced bones; as shes a Pegasus (and bird like) this is unlikely. Then again she can also hover upside down so take that physics!

My answer to that is, she's a pure pegasus, they're awesome. And extremely rare.

 

[varulfic]

I just love over analyzation of fiction. It's equal parts fascinating and hilarious. Keep up the good work!

 

[Radoh]

Okay, I looked it over again, does this chart suggest Derpy Hooves can't exist or that she's outside the realm of science?

 

[Distorted Stu]

Lol @ the Derpy Hooves

Great chart!

 

[Scarim Coral]

Have you ever thought of sending this to Equestria Daily? While there no doubt that Lauren would check it out but she tend to not reply back due to her busy work.
As for the OT it's interesting althought where would Prince Blueblood, Princess Celestria nephew would fit into the chart?

 

[Sandytimeman]

Where does Twilight and Spike get money from?

Well thats not hard to figure out. She is the personal pupil to the crowned ruler of Equistria. And anytime you know a ruling dictator on a first name basis and can walk up to them, un-molested by guards, and hug them. Your close enough to not have to worry about money.

 

[GeorgW]

Okay, I looked it over again, does this chart suggest Derpy Hooves can't exist or that she's outside the realm of science?

I added an explanation for that later. Basically, she's out of the realm of science.

Have you ever thought of sending this to Equestria Daily? While there no doubt that Lauren would check it out but she tend to not reply back due to her busy work.
As for the OT it's interesting althought where would Prince Blueblood, Princess Celestria nephew would fit into the chart?

We have already sent it to Lauren's deviantart, but we will do that as well, once it's done. We still need your help pointing out flaws!
Prince Blueblood is a pure unicorn, a UU. We don't know his father, but if we would assume he's a alicorn as well, he was the result of the quarter of a chance to create a pure unicorn.

 

[The Apothecarry]

I think something I learned in D&D applies here: If science can't explain it, it's probably MAGIC. For example, gravity.

This is freakin' awesome! I'd say you have too much spare time on your hands, but I was up all night making MLP memes and writing a story based on my Shadowrun character.

THE HERD DEMANDS MORE!

 

[Scarim Coral]

Have you ever thought of sending this to Equestria Daily? While there no doubt that Lauren would check it out but she tend to not reply back due to her busy work.
As for the OT it's interesting althought where would Prince Blueblood, Princess Celestria nephew would fit into the chart?

We have already sent it to Lauren's deviantart, but we will do that as well, once it's done. We still need your help pointing out flaws!
Prince Blueblood is a pure unicorn, a UU. We don't know his father, but if we would assume he's a alicorn as well, he was the result of the quarter of a chance to create a pure unicorn.

I see. Now that I think about it you may want to include this factor into the chart accuracy-
http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1932779933
The link is just Lauren stating that Prince Blueblood is a great, gresat (X many) newphew on the Princesses mother side. However this could be irrelevent due to too many generation gaps on the X many.

 

[Hawk of Battle]

You know this isn't the first time someone has done this right? Somebody did the exact same thing, in the exact same table style months ago. They even did an inverse version to show how it might work the other way, because we can't honestly say which genes are dominant and recessive.

 

[Melon Hunter]

Okay, I looked it over again, does this chart suggest Derpy Hooves can't exist or that she's outside the realm of science?

I added an explanation for that later. Basically, she's out of the realm of science.

Have you ever thought of sending this to Equestria Daily? While there no doubt that Lauren would check it out but she tend to not reply back due to her busy work.
As for the OT it's interesting althought where would Prince Blueblood, Princess Celestria nephew would fit into the chart?

We have already sent it to Lauren's deviantart, but we will do that as well, once it's done. We still need your help pointing out flaws!
Prince Blueblood is a pure unicorn, a UU. We don't know his father, but if we would assume he's a alicorn as well, he was the result of the quarter of a chance to create a pure unicorn.

OK, I would say that to stop an Alicorn being born naturally, Pegasus genes are going to have to be dominant over Unicorn genes (or vice versa). Secondly, Prince Blueblood is a very distant relative of Celestia, so I'm not sure what we can assume about his parents (perhaps Prince is simply an aristocratic name in Equestria?) Thirdly, as was mentioned here:

Also, I would say Fluttershy had recessive Earth Pony, not Unicorn genes, as her connection to animals and nature would make more sense that way. And maybe Pinkie Pie having recessive Unicorn genes would explain her ability to teleport anywhere she pleases?

Pinkie Pie is probably a Eu (Earth,Unicorn) more than Ep (Earth,Pegasus), good point. As for Fluttershy, that's true that she probably is a Pe (Pegasus,Earth), but it won't work as Earth is dominant, if there isn't a kind of... exception?

Perhaps there are recessive Earth Pony traits as well? If Earth Pony genes are always dominant, then surely pegasi and unicorns would become rarer and rarer over time through cross-breeding. Maybe there could be four main alleles: Earth Pony (dominant), Pegasus, Unicorn, and Earth Pony (recessive), in order to address that.

 

[GeorgW]

Have you ever thought of sending this to Equestria Daily? While there no doubt that Lauren would check it out but she tend to not reply back due to her busy work.
As for the OT it's interesting althought where would Prince Blueblood, Princess Celestria nephew would fit into the chart?

We have already sent it to Lauren's deviantart, but we will do that as well, once it's done. We still need your help pointing out flaws!
Prince Blueblood is a pure unicorn, a UU. We don't know his father, but if we would assume he's a alicorn as well, he was the result of the quarter of a chance to create a pure unicorn.

I see. Now that I think about it you may want to include this factor into the chart accuracy-
http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1932779933
The link is just Lauren stating that Prince Blueblood is a great, gresat (X many) newphew on the Princesses mother side. However this could be irrelevent due to too many generation gaps on the X many.

Yeah, we can't track the genome without the amount of X's. But we can presume he's a pure unicorn, which would require a lot of luck. So he's very rare, which is why he gets special treatment, and is so beautiful (don't see it myself, but oh well).

Perhaps one type of gene is dominant? Or Perhaps if an earth pony and unicorn had children some would be unicorms and the others would be earth ponies? Kind of like having genders, it's (usually) either or. Then again that raises the question if an liniage with all three in could have recessive characterisitcs. Kind of like both perants with brown hair having a blond child because one of their grand-perants was blonde.

Then again do we know poines are actually born? They could avoid the whole question and just make it "Magic bitches! I don't have to splain shit!"

The earth gene is dominant. And yes, with several children it would be a mix. As you can see there are 4 squares in each mating. This means it's 25% chance of each square. Of course, some of the squares give the same result, which is why certain races are more common.

You know this isn't the first time someone has done this right? Somebody did the exact same thing, in the exact same table style months ago. They even did an inverse version to show how it might work the other way, because we can't honestly say which genes are dominant and recessive.

Link please? I saw something which did it in a way that made certain types dominant only in certain matches and such, which is not scientific. This one doesn't need an inverse one because it's all based on specific, defined rules, in stead of pokémon rules. So this one is better.

Okay, I looked it over again, does this chart suggest Derpy Hooves can't exist or that she's outside the realm of science?

I added an explanation for that later. Basically, she's out of the realm of science.

Have you ever thought of sending this to Equestria Daily? While there no doubt that Lauren would check it out but she tend to not reply back due to her busy work.
As for the OT it's interesting althought where would Prince Blueblood, Princess Celestria nephew would fit into the chart?

We have already sent it to Lauren's deviantart, but we will do that as well, once it's done. We still need your help pointing out flaws!
Prince Blueblood is a pure unicorn, a UU. We don't know his father, but if we would assume he's a alicorn as well, he was the result of the quarter of a chance to create a pure unicorn.

OK, I would say that to stop an Alicorn being born naturally, Pegasus genes are going to have to be dominant over Unicorn genes (or vice versa). Secondly, Prince Blueblood is a very distant relative of Celestia, so I'm not sure what we can assume about his parents (perhaps Prince is simply an aristocratic name in Equestria?) Thirdly, as was mentioned here:

Also, I would say Fluttershy had recessive Earth Pony, not Unicorn genes, as her connection to animals and nature would make more sense that way. And maybe Pinkie Pie having recessive Unicorn genes would explain her ability to teleport anywhere she pleases?

Pinkie Pie is probably a Eu (Earth,Unicorn) more than Ep (Earth,Pegasus), good point. As for Fluttershy, that's true that she probably is a Pe (Pegasus,Earth), but it won't work as Earth is dominant, if there isn't a kind of... exception?

Perhaps there are recessive Earth Pony traits as well? If Earth Pony genes are always dominant, then surely pegasi and unicorns would become rarer and rarer over time through cross-breeding. Maybe there could be four main alleles: Earth Pony (dominant), Pegasus, Unicorn, and Earth Pony (recessive), in order to address that.

But that would make the dominations too loosely defined and make them more case specific, which isn't really scientific. I realise there are some holes, which is why we're working on a pedigree chart where all three are equally dominant and you have 3 alleles in stead of 2. Wait for it.

 

[Baneat]

To shed some light on the "can they interbreed" thing here's a shot from the creator.

As far as I'm aware Luna and Celestia are the only hybrids, functionally immortal and as Goddesses. I don't think their birth is natural or frequent. I think it's exclusive.

I'm not really up on my science lately so I can't contribute much. It was interesting to read your table though thank you, I'm curious to see where the thread goes.

If "The Word of God" can see no reason why, there must be some serious racism for there to only be two hybrid-ponies in all of known equestria.