Popular immortality is impossible

[Jonluw]

How 'bout this for a discussion:
Looking at it from the point of the multiverse theory; are all the different 'yous' in the different universes really you?

In one sense, along the vein of what I said in my previous post, yes. They are all you, albeit something like all branches off of the central concept of "you".

Just like the rest of the multiverses I guess.

 

[Nudu]

Every X years(I think 7 or 10) all cells in your body are replaced. You are a clone of yourself 10 years ago.

No. You are constantly loosing cells. Right now there is a microscopic cloud of dead skin cells that have fallen off of you in the simple act of moving, breathing, catching a breeze, blinking - you name it - all around you and on the surrounding area.

I think you misunderstood me. I know that you don't go though some magic moment where every single cell dies and are replaced at the same time. What I meant was that the cells that made up you when you were born are not the same cells that are making up you right now. So while I assume that you see yourself as the same person as you 10 years ago, the cells, molecules and atoms that make up you are not the same as they were.

 

[Spade Lead]

The fact that you put a time on it is what I took issue with.

It is a scientific fact that the cells that comprised your body at the age of 21 are all dead at the age of 28.

 

[Nudu]

Every X years(I think 7 or 10) all cells in your body are replaced. You are a clone of yourself 10 years ago.

No. You are constantly loosing cells. Right now there is a microscopic cloud of dead skin cells that have fallen off of you in the simple act of moving, breathing, catching a breeze, blinking - you name it - all around you and on the surrounding area.

I think you misunderstood me. I know that you don't go though some magic moment where every single cell dies and are replaced at the same time. What I meant was that the cells that made up you when you were born are not the same cells that are making up you right now. So while I assume that you see yourself as the same person as you 10 years ago, the cells, molecules and atoms that make up you are not the same as they were.

The fact that you put a time on it is what I took issue with.

Why would I see myself as my cells and atoms? I am my thoughts, my memories and my consciousness. Ever said "my body" in a conversation before?

My - implying ownership

Body - the thing being owned

Unless you can somehow be something and own it at the same time, one cannot be their body.

Right. That's my point too. The physical body isn't important, it's the mind that matters. If my mind lived on after my body died, it would still be me.

 

[Nudu]

Every X years(I think 7 or 10) all cells in your body are replaced. You are a clone of yourself 10 years ago.

No. You are constantly loosing cells. Right now there is a microscopic cloud of dead skin cells that have fallen off of you in the simple act of moving, breathing, catching a breeze, blinking - you name it - all around you and on the surrounding area.

I think you misunderstood me. I know that you don't go though some magic moment where every single cell dies and are replaced at the same time. What I meant was that the cells that made up you when you were born are not the same cells that are making up you right now. So while I assume that you see yourself as the same person as you 10 years ago, the cells, molecules and atoms that make up you are not the same as they were.

The fact that you put a time on it is what I took issue with.

Why would I see myself as my cells and atoms? I am my thoughts, my memories and my consciousness. Ever said "my body" in a conversation before?

My - implying ownership

Body - the thing being owned

Unless you can somehow be something and own it at the same time, one cannot be their body.

Right. That's my point too. The physical body isn't important, it's the mind that matters. If my mind lived on after my body died, it would still be me.

It wouldn't be your consciousness, no. Your neurons and receptors ceased firing when you died. The body with your memories and such would not be 'inhabited' by you, just your past.

Well, I'm not a biologist or a neuroscientist, but I believe I read somewhere that neuron do replace themselves, just slower then other cells. But to the point, what is my conciousness anyway? My point is that our cells(what makes up everything we are. No exception.) die. So in a sense, you die. I believe that our conciousness IS our thoughts and memories. I mean, I realize why people think it's different to die and then come back in another body, but when you think about it, it's not really different from dying and being reborn as part of a continous process.

 

[Spade Lead]

You missed the entire discussion and took a comment out of context.

You will notice if you read the comments, how I was referring to the clockwork type nature that the poster was suggesting the body engaged to deal with cells. As if every seven years you underwent a metamorphosis.

If you read the entire discussion, rather than pick out a single post in the middle of a conversation, you will have a better understanding of the situation.

I have been reading this thread since about the 7th post. I have paid attention to EVERY. SINGLE. POST. I called you out because you were wrong. He didn't say "Your every cell suddenly dies every seven to ten years." He pointed out that the same cells that were in your body seven years ago have since died off.

 

[viranimus]

/joy

Its threads like these that remind me why I love it here.

On the concept that a you must retain uninterupted consciousness. Would that also mean anyone who was in a long term coma when they wake up would be a completely different person?

As for the transporter notion, I am in full agreement. Theres no way to break down someone in that way and then reproduce the exact living being. The transported individual is not the same as the original, as the original was destroyed in the process.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well that's more a cloning process then immortality, immortality implies your body never dies.

But if we get to the converging part of these two events, our body with perfect regeneration could live forever, but it is also completely renewed/replaced every decade or so, so in essence we are merely clones of our former selves, yet our mind doesn't know the difference.

So who are you, a clone, an original, who died and who lived?

 

[Spade Lead]

Perhaps you had trouble reading the post.

Or maybe I know what he actually meant, and how to understand what people mean when they misstate facts I already understand. Now, if you want to admit that you had no clue that the body will completely replace all of it's cells over the course of seven years, I will apologize, otherwise I have no choice but to assume you were being spiteful because you could, when he admitted he wasn't sure precisely how it worked...

 

[exampleAccount]

I think it's pretty much impossible to discuss this as we don't really know why we feel "alive" to begin with, I can understand how we give the illusion of "life" but I don't think anyone knows why we appear to have "souls" (not saying they exist).

I think the real mind-fucker here is what does it feel like if you are duplicated somehow, the duplicate thinks its you, but it s a separate entity. But then again, you duplicate yourself every ten years so how should this be any different?

 

[Spade Lead]

Care to try again?

Nah, I am done. I got on you because you were being an arrogant ass to someone else on here, and since my opinion of you has just lowered since then, I am moving on.