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Shadowstar38

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I think I should preface this by saying I'm a regular drug user. So I normally don't fault people for this kind of thing. But lately, I've noticed it getting out of hand for someone.

I have a friend that I've know for years. We have a good enough relationship that I'm the godfather to his child. But in the past couple of months, he's been going overboard on the partying. He's been taking estacy almost every night, quit his day job so he can sell more weed, and he's been moving onto stronger stuff.

I try to talk to him, but the response is usually "I've been doing this longer than you have. I know what my limit is"

My brother told me to stay out of contact with the guy, but that feels off to me. I can't just completely give up on people when they fuck up, because I wouldn't want someone doing that to me.

So basically, what do you think I should do here?
 

Leonartheinsane

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My suggestion would be to hang in the background. Be there if he needs to you, but don't get involved otherwise. You've given your opinion, he's an adult so its up to him.

Don't end the friendship, but become passive, ie he has to ask you for help.
 

Kuilui

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People will only change when they want to. You've made your voice known now just leave it alone. Personally I feel bad for his kids being around that stuff. I grew up around an alcoholic and druggie(pills, vicodin,etc) and it wasn't an enjoyable experience.
 

lechat

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as someone who was in a very similar situation i would advise if you think there is any danger of you getting dragged down with him to walk the fuck away.
as a former drug councilor and ex addict i can honestly say some people are either beyond help or will only except help when they reach absolute rock bottom and that only happens when all friends and family have given up on them
 

Angie7F

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I agree.
Some people are just past the point of no return.
I have has exes and friends that just wont accept any help and just dropped off the face of the earth for all I care.
If you dont want to be a part of it, then it doesnt matter if you are the godfather of their child.
 

Gigano

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If he doesn't want your help, then don't force it down his throat.

Telling somebody once what you think would be better for them is fine. Helping people who choose that they want help is more than fine. Intruding on people who've already made it quite clear they don't want to be intruded on isn't fine.

You can always tell him that you're on stand by should he want your help, and otherwise back off. Responsibility and respect for rights in one nifty package.
 

dmase

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I'd have a hard time knowing that he'd still be doing the heavier drug use and still have a kid. I'd try to help but if he is dealing to make money you don't want to be around that if shit ever gets bad. If you can't convince him to change his ways then yeah I'd say cut contact for your own good. Though I'd like to mention I've never had to cut contact with a friend for any kind of overuse of drugs so I'm no authority.
 

Shadowstar38

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Kuilui said:
People will only change when they want to. You've made your voice known now just leave it alone. Personally I feel bad for his kids being around that stuff. I grew up around an alcoholic and druggie(pills, vicodin,etc) and it wasn't an enjoyable experience.
Since I wrote this, the child was removed from the house and is with his grandparents. Just wanted to let you know.
 

Connor Lonske

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i know this sucks, but you need to stay his friend and let this happen to him. if you interfere any further, he won't be your friend any more. you just have to stick with him and support him (not his excessive habit, i mean support him as a friend in general).

also make sure his kid doesn't get fucked up or beaten. if he's getting beaten or abused due to his habit that's where the line is drawn. call the local child protection service where you live anonymously. i know that sucks for him but if he is going as far to completely fucking up his child's childhood that's what you got to do.

if that isn't the case ever, then i wish you and your friend luck.
 

number2301

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He does sound to be on somewhat of a downward spiral so you may well be best keeping your distance. Dealing (other than a little for friends) is a very risky business.

You say he's been taking Ecstacy nearly every night, does he not know that Ecstacy doesn't work that way? It works by causing massive releases of serotonin, after less than a day there's nothing left for it to act on.
 

Chris Tian

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In your situation I would be carefull not to be dragged down with him, but stand ready to help him as much as I can when hes ready to let me help him.
A friend of mine who took a similar turn for the worse, got straighten out by a rival dealer who almost stabbed him to death, i hope your friend will come to his senses befor something like that happens.


Shadowstar38 said:
Kuilui said:
People will only change when they want to. You've made your voice known now just leave it alone. Personally I feel bad for his kids being around that stuff. I grew up around an alcoholic and druggie(pills, vicodin,etc) and it wasn't an enjoyable experience.
Since I wrote this, the child was removed from the house and is with his grandparents. Just wanted to let you know.
Depending on how close you are with the child, it might need you even more than your friend does. Maybe the best you can do for him right now is help taking care of his kid.
 

Jux

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Has there been an intervention for the guy yet? How do other people in his life feel about his behavior? One viewpoint is that you can't help someone that doesn't want your help, but if this person is important to you, and is throwing his life away, how would you feel in the event of a worst case senario? Do you feel you did everything in your power to help him? Because not acting is an action in itself.
 

Shadowstar38

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Jux said:
Has there been an intervention for the guy yet? How do other people in his life feel about his behavior? One viewpoint is that you can't help someone that doesn't want your help, but if this person is important to you, and is throwing his life away, how would you feel in the event of a worst case senario? Do you feel you did everything in your power to help him? Because not acting is an action in itself.
All of his friends are only slightly better addicts than he is. So they feel they're really not in any position to say anything. My brother told me he's talked to him over and over and consuled him as best he could, but it's not sinking in. I'd feel horrible if the worst were to happen. But I don't know what more I can do without being up his ass all the time.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
All of his friends are only slightly better addicts than he is. So they feel they're really not in any position to say anything. My brother told me he's talked to him over and over and consuled him as best he could, but it's not sinking in. I'd feel horrible if the worst were to happen. But I don't know what more I can do without being up his ass all the time.
Unfortunately, I think watching from the sidelines is about the best you can do at this point. It sounds like he is not going to accept any sort of help unless he is completely game for it, and being on his ass all the time will only make things worse. You should never hope for the worst, but sometimes you have to wait for people to hit their rock bottom (wherever that might be) before they are ready to start digging themselves out. I had a cousin who this happened to. She didn't get too far into drugs, but five years ago she had a kid as a teenager out of wedlock to a man who would turn out to be abusive. Over the next four years, she proceeded to take advantage of most members of our family including her mother and father, lie repeatedly to us about what she was up to and where she was (lying about jobs and job hunting was her favorite pastime), and got a bit into drugs and way into partying with friends who would tolerate this behavior from a single mother raising a young child.

But finally, in the last year, things have finally started to turn around. Her daughter turned 5 and entered kindergarten, and I think that's about when she realized that wasn't going to work anymore. She tended to regard her daughter as her "little buddy" and used caring for her all the time as an excuse for not having a job. But now that she's at school all day, she doesn't have anything left to do. So she's gotten a job, settled down in one place, and broke it off with a relationship that was destined for failure. She was "going out," if you can call it that, with a guy who was an inmate at the same jail her abusive baby-daddy was going to. Apparently, he was going to get out soon, and at first she was excited about this. But then we think he began asking her for money or saying he should move in with her after he gets out, but whatever the case he asked for something she was NOT going to give, so she dumped him. And as far as we can tell, ever since she hasn't been so desperate to find some guy who she thinks will support her and make her life all better.

Throughout all those years, we made it pretty clear to her how we felt about her behavior. We didn't shut her out by any means, whenever she came around at holidays we were nothing but nice to her. We'd be encouraging about her job hunting, even though we often knew it to be factually untrue. We did draw the line at being outright taken advantage of--when my grandparents found out she had used $2000 of money they put away for her to use for higher education in order to buy a Jeep she didn't at all need, they made it to where she could no longer draw the money out freely. They said if she wanted to take more money, she'd have to clear it with them and prove with paperwork that she used it for college. And if she didn't end up using the money, it would pass to her daughter to be used for the same reason.

We told her we worried about her and wanted to see more of her, but we knew from her dad's failed attempts that if we tried to confront her signs of drug use or her excessive drinking directly she'd just blow us off and deny everything. But now she's grown up and she's learned more about what really makes her happy.

I know things can be more complicated when harder drugs are involved, but I still think if your friend is that stubborn then it seems your game will have to be one of waiting. Be ready to offer a hand when he's ready to grab it, but don't be shoving it in his face all the time until he gets to that point.