Logical fallacy. Again, assuming you lose nothing by not paying - that is, the experience you have online if you don't pay a dime is exactly the same as the experience you have now - then this is more like saying, "I'll sell you a CD, or you could pay a bit more and get a rare limited edition collector's case instead." Which... is perfectly ethical.stinkychops said:What exactly am I buying when I purchase the game?John Funk said:I really don't see the problem here, and I think that the outcries from the community are really just kneejerk reactions against Activision with little bearing on what is being said.
If the existing multiplayer of the game continues to exist as it is absolutely free, but Activision chooses to add something on top of that - whatever it might be - for, I don't know, $3 a month? Seriously, we have a problem with a company offering a premium service for more?
Isn't that, uh... just logical? You pay more for more stuff. Or should we expect all of our advancements for free?
How about this, I'll sell you a CD, but if you want the case its extra. People will pay it. They shouldn't have to.
Just because its logical doesn't make it ethical, or advancement.
But this time they're super serious!-IT- said:Ha, people said the same thing about MW2 and look what became of that.stonethered said:And this sort of 'innovation'is exactly why I don't intend to get Black Ops.
Did you just seriously compare my fav franchise in the world to those two movies?The_root_of_all_evil said:With Shia Le Bouef and Megan Fox.wooty said:Pretty soon the next "innovation" will be that they're working on a Call of Duty reboot.
John, John, you just phrased everything I wanted to say more coherently than I could've ever done.John Funk said:snip
I am speaking purely conceptually here. What I say is conditional on the idea that a company will follow through on its words as stated.Mornelithe said:LoL, no, you pay more and get what Activision says is 'worth' more. While they whittle away at options that were previously considered must-haves for any title.John Funk said:Logical fallacy. Again, assuming you lose nothing by not paying - that is, the experience you have online if you don't pay a dime is exactly the same as the experience you have now - then this is more like saying, "I'll sell you a CD, or you could pay a bit more and get a rare limited edition collector's case instead." Which... is perfectly ethical.
You are paying more, you are getting more. Or are you telling me gamers have become so spoiled that we feel entitled to get more for free?
True Evil only shows up when needed.JourneyThroughHell said:Wow.
You are evil.
I thought the rumours were false.
Given the previous years actions by a certain group of people, I believe that's a very optimistic assumption.John Funk said:Logical fallacy. Again, assuming you lose nothing by not paying - that is, the experience you have online if you don't pay a dime is exactly the same as the experience you have now -
With a series with a multiplayer that is apparently so good already, subsequent iterations are simply going to start with less features, ones that would have been standard in the previous generation, and charge additionally for them. That's how all these schemes work. It's horrific when compared to, say, Valve's own stuff, or even Halo 3 that came with HUGE game customisation options and even a level editor, encouraging people to play the game in more ways.John Funk said:I am speaking purely conceptually here. What I say is conditional on the idea that a company will follow through on its words as stated.Mornelithe said:LoL, no, you pay more and get what Activision says is 'worth' more. While they whittle away at options that were previously considered must-haves for any title.John Funk said:Logical fallacy. Again, assuming you lose nothing by not paying - that is, the experience you have online if you don't pay a dime is exactly the same as the experience you have now - then this is more like saying, "I'll sell you a CD, or you could pay a bit more and get a rare limited edition collector's case instead." Which... is perfectly ethical.
You are paying more, you are getting more. Or are you telling me gamers have become so spoiled that we feel entitled to get more for free?
If a company offers a premium service with additional content at a higher fee, while retaining the Vanilla service as-is without change, then there is nothing wrong with the idea.
If Activision did not offer the same service for free, or if they took features out to give to the Premium base, then this would no longer be the situation I'm discussing, would it?