FirmlyUninformative said:
If you want to find out the specifics, check for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_shield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
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If you want to find out the specifics, check for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_shield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
Assuming ambulatory robot swarms, I'd make a tesla coil defense system. However, I think we're more likely to be destroyed by nanites (microscopic robots) than the big ones. I really don't have any idea how to defend against that.
Shake them to pieces with a bunch of very powerful speakers hooked up to a device that can generate many different frequencies.
Fear the resonance! Fear me, robots! TREMBLE in fear!
... In theory.
Fear the resonance! Fear me, robots! TREMBLE in fear!
... In theory.
Where do you go in every mechanical apocalypse? South of the border. Machines will be of little threat in a place where there are no machines, and there arn't enough people to warrant sending some(of course, I am talking about South America). Failing that, space.
That is wonderful! Glad I could inspire you.jake557 said:Hahaha, I love that idea! I just had to whip this up in photoshop:SuperMse said:
I guess I neglected to say that nanites are generally embedded in humans. Microscopic robots that take over human bodies from the inside, rather than a T-1000 swarm situation. Initially, we will be installing them to fight disease and promote longer lives. Then, a day will come where they kill us from the inside out. I can't think of much defense against that, without harming the human hosts.T-Bone24 said:
Easy, just put a penatrator through it's optical sensor. Preferably .50BMG from a LONG way away.Souplex said:
Really, the only REALLY scary robots for the uprising already EXIST, though at the moment are largely just remote controlled. They're called Predator UAVs.
HUMAN INTELLIGENCE DETECTED!!!
(I apologize if my quotations fail or this is considered off topic due to the killbot focus. And yes, I am grammar Nazi food...)
Do we have enough of EMP and resonance weapons to wipe out all computers? Or at least major computer factories? and wouldn't resonance machines knock out their own power supply?Eclectic Dreck said:
Yay, but how would you ever be able to actually see one before they see' you, since the strong robots would basically have semi-automatic snipers, move rather slowly but look miles around for human heat signatures, motion signs, and simply look around with normal vision far better than a humans? Also, wouldn't robots consider killbots inefficient to wipe out humanity? I'm thinking about tuberculosis with a secretion that causes the immune system to ignore it (this secretion has been developed to treat ulcers of a certain type that don't heal due to your body attacking them)I'm trying to think what a robot takeover would use...Eclectic Dreck said:
(I apologize if my quotations fail or this is considered off topic due to the killbot focus. And yes, I am grammar Nazi food...)
Release either a Cloud of Saltwater steam or Plant mortars.
Or have welders Create a Large godlike idol to them,if they aren't all INTELLIGENCE BEWP then they will fall for it.
Or have welders Create a Large godlike idol to them,if they aren't all INTELLIGENCE BEWP then they will fall for it.
The beauty of a device based on the idea of nuclear magnetic resonance is that the resonant frequency generated is a function of the capacitors themselves, meaning it can be tuned to ANY frequency. Because the nuclear resonance of a conductive material is a predictable constant, once the required frequency is determined, the device itself can be built around materials that would have no effect. Better still, there is no real chance of friendly fire - even fantastically strong magnetic fields have no real impact on organic tissue, at least as far as medical science has been able to prove.The Singularity said:
But, as I said, the problem is simply that magnetic fields dissipate rapidly over a distance. The worst case scenario is that it would be utterly impossible to provide enough power to the device to overcome any compensation the killbots employ. Of course, such a well shielded robot would be more difficult to build meaning if nothing else humanity would face a relative handful of foes rather than a potential legion or dozen.
At the end of the day, an exceedingly lethal machine is still just a machine. Even if reduced to simple conventional weapons, the only advantages the machine will truly enjoy is an utter disregard for self preservation in the face of accomplishing mission objectives, accuracy that closes in on the tolerances of the weapon itself, and above average target acquisition systems. These are advantages to be certain, but as I said previously, it still has to follow the rules of reality. Simply put, the robot could not fire a round further than the equivalent human weapon, it's weapons would never be more accurate than the mechanical tolerances of the weapon and ammunition allow (and the best rifles in the world with the highest quality ammunition still has a mechanical deviation of 1/4" at 100m). If it were a strictly even numbers fight, the advantages of the robot army would spell the doom of humanity, but the purpose of warfare has long been ensuring the odds are as imbalanced as possible.The Singularity said:
If you consider the robot armies of the movies, most famous the armies of skynet, you will recall that Skynet's first phase was starting a nuclear war precisely because in the early stages, humanity holds a distinct advantage in numbers and firepower. Assuming such a holocaust was avoidable, you'd find that skynet is a problem readily dealt with.
The reason is simple - even assuming it could gain control of automated manufacturing facilities and resource gathering operations, these targets can be destroyed like any other. Without the means to replace inevitable losses, any army can be defeated. This is one critical thing that most people rarely consider. The purpose of sending an army into the field is rarely to openly defeat an opposing force. Generally, this is only done out of necessity. The goal of an army is to destroy the enemies means to wage war, and this can be accomplished through maneuver and attacks against infrastructure more readily than tying to exhaust the human resources of a nation.
So you see, it really matters little how intelligent or lethal the machines become. If they are engaged before they have an overwhelming force, humanity still has the capacity to defeat the machine armies and secure the earth for future destruction by organic life.
The trouble with microwaves is simply that they do not readily penetrate a conductive material - they are instead reflected. Of course, as part of the process an electrical charge is imparted in the conductor, which may be useful if important bits of circuitry are grounded to the chassis, but I suspect if we are facing a robot army of any intelligence, such a design flaw would be readily corrected.Souplex said:
Worse still, microwaves of sufficient power are more than capable of being lethal to anything organic. If you ignore the dangers of lower dose or long term exposure, the most immedieate danger could come in the form of resonance. Simply put, if the microwave gun operated in the 10 - 14 GHz range, you'll find that it will likely meet the resonance frequency of water. The result of such a thing is that the water molecules become increasingly excited (i.e. heat up), rapidly resulting in death. This is, afterall, the principle upon which a microwave oven works.
Bear in mind, resonance a word describing frequency essentially. Depending upon what specifically is being discussed, you'll find there are a number of defnitions. There are two basic applications of the idea - the first is constructive resonance - that is a scenario where input frequency meets the natural frequency of the object in question and the result is an increase in amplitude (the principle in play when playing on a swing set) and destructive (that is, an input that does not meet the natual frequency or is simply out of phase, resulting generally in a reduction of amplitude). Nuclear Magnetic Resonance has the distnict avantage that you are not dealing with EM radiation directly. Line of sight means little in such a circumstance. This is, afterall, the same technology powering MRI machines, and they have little trouble peering past the skull and other intervening tissues. Better still, there is almost no danger to organic materials that happen to get in the way.
Actually, I recently researched computers and how affected they are by different forms of interference. It is actually quite surprising how vulnerable robots would be to electormagnetic shocks, or focused radio wave transmissions within a certain frequency. So, I would head either for a power plant, or go to an airport of other major transmitting area. Such places would be terribly beneficial in taking down robots.