Prison Gladiatorial Death Matches

[Ironic Pirate]

I'd watch.

You think I'm joking? These prisoners are willingly doing it, let them do it! Let them enjoy a bit of fame if they win a few before they die.

But I think the prisoners should be allowed to join some sort of military program upon winning X amount of fights, military could use killing machines.

Second part of that is a terrible, terrible idea. People on death row should not be in the military, that's common sense.

 

[Theseus32]

Huh, one of my friends had the same idea.
But yes, I support this and we could also add inmates on life sentence too. If someone did something to get the death penalty or life they lose the right to call themselves human.

Why? What makes them less than human? What about the falsely accused?

There are no falsely accused people in prison! You big silly person! That would mean our government wasn't the absolute representation of a perfect governmental body on this planet. And that's just silly.

Remember, to question authority is wrong! Go back to sleep citizens!

 

[Azure-Supernova]

As long as they've got the Dealth Penalty, minds as well get some sport out of it. Though instead of Arena combat, how about making them do obstacle courses like It's a Knockout - Prison Edition!

 

[lacktheknack]

I don't see any problem with it especially if it is voluntary, the government can make some money and gets rid of inmates faster, the public can be entertained, and the prisoners can blow off some built up steam. Everyone wins.

You know, combining "hopeless, dying orphans" and/or "children on the brink of death" with "child molesters" ALSO equals an "everyone wins" scenario.

As does "dead people" and "necrophiliacs".

Sometimes, it's better to go with some simple ethics and humanity rather than stone-cold logic.

Oh, I'd totally watch that, the all-pedo network. It would need to be an "adult" network, of course (Irony! Ha!).

You'd just have to pay the families a couple million for their dying children. Everyone wins. And it'd be all done voluntarily, so that makes it morally and ethically sound.

..right?

As I said, society doesn't do some things for a reason, ie. we aren't monsters ever-justifying monstrous things (mostly, anyways).

 

[Al Wainwright]

I don't see why we would limit it to just prisoners. Killers gonna kill. Might as well have a good portion of society's horrendous murders happen in a controlled environment for entertainment and profit. I love how people think that watching people fight to the death would be such a huge stretch and such a horrible thing. People die. It's not a big deal. Happens literally all the time. If people were willing to risk their lives in mortal combat against each other I'd be up for watching at least once, to see if I liked it. I've never been a huge fan of boxing, wrestling, the whole fighting shabang; although I'd be interested to see how it'd work out if there were some weapons, maybe some armor.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Huh, one of my friends had the same idea.
But yes, I support this and we could also add inmates on life sentence too. If someone did something to get the death penalty or life they lose the right to call themselves human.

Why? What makes them less than human? What about the falsely accused?

No doubt it's their callous disregard for human life. Kinda like the callous disregard for human life this whole idea has -__-

I can't say I find this mindset to be much better than that of the criminals being condemned. At least some of them might have mental issues or something to excuse it.

Yeah, taking pleasure from watching two people fight to the death while thinking that they are "sub-human" and "beneath you" isn't scary at all. This entire idea makes me feel dirty.

 

[Theseus32]

As long as they've got the Dealth Penalty, minds as well get some sport out of it. Though instead of Arena combat, how about making them do obstacle courses like It's a Knockout - Prison Edition!

Or, and I'm just throwing this out there, but rather than contribute to the seemingly endless retardization and bastardizing of our culture, why not have them do, like, cancer research or something? I mean not the heavy lifting, obviously, but squirting shit into test tubes or some such. Even if not that specifically, you get the idea. Give them an out that responds to them working hard. I mean sure, it's the literal definition of slavery, but what the fuck? We're already talking blood sport, why not bring back slaves?

 

[ACman]

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Because ethics.

 

[Theseus32]

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Because ethics.

Bit like trying to explain to children why stealing is wrong, innit?

 

[Azure-Supernova]

As long as they've got the Dealth Penalty, minds as well get some sport out of it. Though instead of Arena combat, how about making them do obstacle courses like It's a Knockout - Prison Edition!

Or, and I'm just throwing this out there, but rather than contribute to the seemingly endless retardization and bastardizing of our culture, why not have them do, like, cancer research or something? I mean not the heavy lifting, obviously, but squirting shit into test tubes or some such. Even if not that specifically, you get the idea. Give them an out that responds to them working hard. I mean sure, it's the literal definition of slavery, but what the fuck? We're already talking blood sport, why not bring back slaves?

Well hey I was only joking about the sport thing... semi-joking about the 'It's a Knockout - Prison Edition' thing. Still some kind of service for the community might work as incentive if they're offered a lesser punishment. The standard death penalty could start out at stoning and for every so many days, weeks or months service they get something a little quicker and painless. /joke

 

[Chaos Marine]

Because of the ethical issues even if it's voluntary. In general you don't want murderers to kill more people.

If they're killing other murderers, rapists or other serious criminal scum, I don't see what's wrong with it.

 

[SextusMaximus]

Screw ethics, that would be awesome!

Your friend is dumb. Humans have come a long way from gladiatorial death matches, both as a society and as a people. Why would we suddenly revert to old, archaic ways of unbalanced tomfooloery? While we are at it, why don't we make petty crimes punishable by public ridicule in stocks, or maybe we can solve all of our disputes with ten paces? Hell, why don't we just pit two people against each other that use newborn babies as their weapons.

EDIT: Of course most people on The Escapist like the idea. The Escapist, like most sheltered and uneducated groups, thinks that every single criminal on earth is the worst piece of scum ever. Did that guy go to jail for unpaid speeding tickets?! FUCKING HANG HIM BY HIS TOES AND BEAT HIM TO DEATH. You people disgust me sometimes.

EDIT 2: I also love the people saying that they would totally watch it. No, you most likely wouldn't. You're saying that to look "edgy". Despite all the self diagnosed medical problems people have on this board (all of which are most likely non existent), I highly doubt many, or even a few, of you are as "twisted" as you say you are. I guarantee that most of you would get nauseous, or even start crying uncontrollably, when seeing 2 grown men fight to the death. Hell, most of you barely have the courage to speak to members of the opposite sex, so I highly doubt you could even watch two people punch each other if blood was involved. Grow the fuck up. This isn't high school. Stop lying to yourself.

I regularly watch bloody UFC, Dream and StrikeForce fights, partake and spar in BJJ and do Muay Thai - don't tell me how to think. I don't think I'm 'edgy', I think I'm fairly normal, instinctively, I like watching people fight.
(Unless you're - quite possibly - trolling, in which case well done:3)

Biiiig difference between boxing or MMA and two men literally beating each other to death to survive. I want you to think about it. REALLY think about it. Ever seen a car wreck up close? Ever watched the light slip from someone's eyes as they die in excruciating agony? Ever watched a snuff film? If the answer is no, you quite literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about, 'cuse that's what you'd be willingly signing up for. Just as a viewer! If you genuinely think that's "awesome" I suggest you seek immediate mental help, because there is something seriously wrong with you.

Look, if we're talking about forcing inmates to do shit to survive, why not make them do something constructive? Tax preparation? First one through the I-9 forms gets an extra week of life. I mean if you're going to make them dance like monkeys, why the fuck not go all out? Dancing with death. A reality show where whoever's the best dancer survives while those that aren't get fed through a wood chipper feet first so all the good little girls and boys of america can hear their agonizing death screams. Amateur surgery hour! This one's only for inmates with illnesses, like cancer and whatnot, you go grab folks off the street and they perform the operations, see if you can survive!

Or better still, how about this, you let them go, give them unlimited ammo and weapons and just film the killing spree while you have people paid to hunt them down. Sure, innocents would die by the hundreds, but think of the ratings!

Look at his post again,

I highly doubt you could even watch two people punch each other if blood was involved.

I appreciate you've written a long enough piece there, but you sort of missed the point of my post.

Also, I considered the situation hypothetical, what would be cool is MMA style fights for willing participants, but with extended time Pride rules. That would be sweet, not like it'd ever happen though!

 

[Superbeast]

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Just wanted to let you guys know that I am totally with you on this. Sometimes this forum terrifies me (usually surrounding topics in the same vein as this...hmm). Oh, and Theseus32, I'm an idiot and somehow managed to report you when trying to quote you - many apologies.

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To everyone saying that you'd watch this: have any of you, ever, seen someone die, bloodily, of savagely inflicted wounds?

I have. The very idea of turning that into sport turns my stomach. The very idea that you guys are claiming to be totally willing to pay to watch such a thing makes me want to vomit.

That's not even going into the total and callous disregard for human life shown here (I know, I know...those involved aren't human because they showed a total disregard for human life...oh wait); nor the fact that we do not really want to be glorifying murder; nor the inevitable problems with such a set-up thanks to the all-wonderful and totally-faultless nature of capitalism (touched on in my previous post); nor the entire concept of ethics telling us it is not a good idea.

The Romans decided that this was a bad idea and went off it - and they fucking loved bloodshed, their entire empire was built around military might (and not just in terms of expansionism, largely the defining aspect of being a "Roman" was, to them, to be awesome and killing shit with the military...partly because it was about the only thing they could do better than the Greeks, but that is a wholly different topic). Given that they had the most widespread and publicised/commercialised/politicised bloodsports ever seen, I think their opinions on why it is a bloody bad idea should be taken into consideration here.

 

[Treblaine]

I see an obvious problem with this, what if you have a 7 foot tall bodybuilder on death row, then a spindly 5'7 man? The big bully would always win and get to go on killing. That is why this cannot work, because the uncertainty of the outcome flies in the face of hot judicial rulings are supposed to be certain in their effect. i.e. "hanged by the neck until dead" not "hang him for a few seconds then cut him down, see what happens"

The point of the death sentence is not to "have some fun" it is the ultimate (capital) punishment, that they must pay with their life for the worst crime. Direct, simple, unambiguous. Yes, a long and tortuous appeals process but that's just to reaffirm the decision that the just punishment is to deprive more than their freedom, but their entire life.

A prisoner Incarcerated they have little but their life. They are fed, clothed and housed just to keep them alive. They are on effective life support.

In WWII, Nazi Germany captured millions of Soviet POWs but had hardly any resources to do anything with them, so they rounded them up in fenced off areas and pretty much left them there to die in the winter exposed with no food, no shelter, no escape. It was a death sentence, they just didn't do it with a bullet.

I suppose corporal punishment would be the middle ground between incarceration and death but corporal punishment has gone out of use I suspect precisely because of the uncertain outcome. Some repent from being flogged, others are enraged and act worse. The distinction is that you are trying to add something: pain. Rather than forcing them to forfeit, like their freedom, or their money in a hefty fine.

Pornography was seen as unethical until the vast majority of Western society agreed that it was no longer a problem.

Spurious logic, as that logic would excuse ANYTHING, even cannibalism and worse. Pornography was socially accepted because it was accepted as benign and also for the inability to legally distinguish from works of art. It's just pictures. PS: pornography remains banned in public.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

The hypocrisy in this thread is fucking killing me.

People terrify me sometimes.

 

[Redryhno]

Well, besides the huge implications that these guys more often than not, have family that still care about them, you've got a big chance for the prison system to be screwed and sued(not exactly in that order) by these guy's family for wrongful death, mistrialed for them to have to fight and kill more people, etc.

Besides that, I think there's a statute or bill or something that imposes huge taxes on any network that shows real-life violence (as in people actually being killed on tv for no more reason that public entertainment, I hope you kind've get what I'm saying. the news not being counted in that) that stretches back to around 1969-1978 region.

 

[chadachada123]

I see an obvious problem with this, what if you have a 7 foot tall bodybuilder on death row, then a spindly 5'7 man? The big bully would always win and get to go on killing. That is why this cannot work, because the uncertainty of the outcome flies in the face of hot judicial rulings are supposed to be certain in their effect. i.e. "hanged by the neck until dead" not "hang him for a few seconds then cut him down, see what happens"

The point of the death sentence is not to "have some fun" it is the ultimate (capital) punishment, that they must pay with their life for the worst crime. Direct, simple, unambiguous. Yes, a long and tortuous appeals process but that's just to reaffirm the decision that the just punishment is to deprive more than their freedom, but their entire life.

A prisoner Incarcerated they have little but their life. They are fed, clothed and housed just to keep them alive. They are on effective life support.

In WWII, Nazi Germany captured millions of Soviet POWs but had hardly any resources to do anything with them, so they rounded them up in fenced off areas and pretty much left them there to die in the winter exposed with no food, no shelter, no escape. It was a death sentence, they just didn't do it with a bullet.

I suppose corporal punishment would be the middle ground between incarceration and death but corporal punishment has gone out of use I suspect precisely because of the uncertain outcome. Some repent from being flogged, others are enraged and act worse. The distinction is that you are trying to add something: pain. Rather than forcing them to forfeit, like their freedom, or their money in a hefty fine.

Pornography was seen as unethical until the vast majority of Western society agreed that it was no longer a problem.

Spurious logic, as that logic would excuse ANYTHING, even cannibalism and worse. Pornography was socially accepted because it was accepted as benign and also for the inability to legally distinguish from works of art. It's just pictures. PS: pornography remains banned in public.

What's inherently wrong with cannibalism compared to eating other unhealthy foods? Just because you have human meat doesn't mean you murdered someone for it or stole it, should the sale of human meat by legal.