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Steinar Valsson

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I don't remember what comedian I am quoting, but I rembmber the message. Everybody is pro-life. If people wouldn't be, they would have killed them selfs years ago.
The notion "pro-life" was made so those people could feel better about who they are, calling it something that sounds better. And to quote Geroge Carlin:
They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.
I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.

Thoughts?

EDIT: So people don't misunderstand: The Carlin quote is ofcourse part of a stand-up and is not to be taking literal, but he's pointing out that the women aren't being thought nearly as much of in this matter as they should.
 

Vault101

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hmmm....thats surprising coming from geroge carlin (he's the man)

anyway I see what you mean, "pro-life" certianly makes it sound good

personally I dont belive in taking away somones choice, and although the Idea of killing a fetus is disturbing to some...I dont find it "as" bad

and if it is illigal it will just go underground
 

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Steinar Valsson said:
I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.

Thoughts?
This is precisely my stance on the matter as well. I can't help but feel a bit sickened by the thought of those strangers who feel that my choices (or lack thereof) should be governed by their religious beliefs.
 

Yureina

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Haha. I was actually planning to come into this thread to refer to George Carlin, but you did that for me. :eek:

I think the pro-life movement is a bit ridiculous, not to mention hypocritical. Why hypocritical? Because most of these pro-lifers are republicans who also cheer for executions, want no government aid to anyone who is in need, and have a love for going to war. It almost feels like they are only "pro-life" because they are trying to make up for the fact that all of their other policies tend to involve mistreating people or just outright killing them.

Also, this should be in the R&P forums. :eek:
 

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Steinar Valsson said:
I don't remember what comedian I am quoting, but I rembmber the message. Everybody is pro-life. If people wouldn't be, they would have killed them selfs years ago.
The notion "pro-life" was made so those people could feel better about who they are, calling it something that sounds better. And to quote Geroge Carlin:
They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.
I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.

Thoughts?
Another groundbreaking discussion brought to you by a person quoting George Carlin. *cue applause*

So basically: side a: pro-abortion side b: anti-abortion side c: abortion sometimes but only under certain conditions.

In the end: nobody changes their minds.

whoop.
 

Lionsfan

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I'd say this is about to get very heated, and I'm very anti pro-choice. After all you had the choice to put this in R&P and you messed up.
 

Steinar Valsson

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Steinar Valsson said:
I don't remember what comedian...
You should think a second time before taking a comedian's words at face value. He's simply taking the term and making it mean something other than how people usually use it. I mean really, if you wanted to play around you could say that no one is really pro-choice because they aren't for all choices ever. It's an arbitrary term, it's silly to look deeper into it.
The comedian might not have taken it at face valur, but I can. And the term does matter. The term is what is supposed to summorise the group and if they have a term as condescending like this, it matters.


And to quote Geroge Carlin:
They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.
Well that sounds pretty untrue. They just don't like women? Do you think they're some kind of one dimensional villains? If you're going to talk about it, maybe tear them down based on something they say?
In this case, I wasn't taking the comedian seriously, not as much anyway. Some of these people are women so it's not a big argument. But one could look past the "humor" and see that he meant that they want to controle what a women does. They take the choice away from her in a way that does not affect men, so to an extent, they are anti-women.

I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.
They obviously disagree that it is not their business so those will be empty words unless someone already agrees with you.
Well, yes obviously they do disagree, if not, this argument would not excist now, would it? But that does not change the fact that as my opinion stands, this is none of their buisness. I began the sentence with "I say" meaning it's a personal opinion. And yes... people do agree with me, that's why there are two sides to this.

Thoughts?
I think your post could have been done better. I'm pro-choice, but quibbling over the name they chose and making accusations about motives is a pretty bad way to start.
Making accusations about motives is a big part of the argument. You would view it differently if someone stle an aplle if they were starving or if they were just being dicks. The motive does matter and especially in this case, were decisions affect so many people. But your post is a post of semantics about a post that you dislike? Either have an opinion on the matter or don't post. Don't make a lengthy thread about what you dislike about the post itself when you could just give an opinion on the matter.
 

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Steinar Valsson said:
I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.

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Are you ok with the public paying for birth control and/or abortions?
Are you ok with the father being financially responsible for the kids for 18 years?

So it is not a private matter, it is in fact "their business."
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
senordesol said:
All I'll say on the matter is I'm glad my mom didn't choose to kill me in the womb.
I'd say it's questionable wheter it qualifies as 'you' for at least a fair period of time in the womb. Is it, in fact a person? It seems to lack the necessary mental faculties for the most part.

Also if your mom chose to have an abortion you wouldn't ever have cared because you wouldn't have been born.
Correct. I'd be far too busy being dead.

I've mulled this over for several years (oh damn, there goes the 'all I'll say on the matter' statement). I used to be one of those who preached 'Life begins at conception', but then when I really considered the purpose (with regard to the state of cells at that point) of the MA pill, I could not really justify that stance.

That said, I am still of the position that we deserve at least a shot, and if I can have baby cousins survive being born months before they were due; it kind of makes the 'choice' stance shakey for me. So take that for what it's worth.
 

Steinar Valsson

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AngleWyrm said:
Steinar Valsson said:
I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.

Thoughts?
Are you ok with the public paying for birth control and/or abortions?
Are you ok with the father being financially responsible for the kids for 18 years?

So it is not a private matter, it is in fact "their business."
Well... the public does not pay for birth control. The users of said control pay for it.
And yes, if they coudn't watch theyr prick, they should be responsible for their actions. But that still is a personal thing between the woman and man.
So it is private matter. Unless the "Pill tax" will be made and the father will have to have a national vote on what he should pay, than it is still private...
I don't quite follow your argument.
 

FernandoV

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Mortai Gravesend said:
FernandoV said:
Steinar Valsson said:
I don't remember what comedian I am quoting, but I rembmber the message. Everybody is pro-life. If people wouldn't be, they would have killed them selfs years ago.
The notion "pro-life" was made so those people could feel better about who they are, calling it something that sounds better. And to quote Geroge Carlin:
They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.
I say people shouldn't interfere in what is not their buisness.

Thoughts?
Another groundbreaking discussion brought to you by a person quoting George Carlin. *cue applause*

So basically: side a: pro-abortion side b: anti-abortion side c: abortion sometimes but only under certain conditions.

In the end: nobody changes their minds.

whoop.
Pro-abortion really sounds quite misleading. Someone doesn't need to like them or say they're good to say that they should be allowed. Someone could wish that they did not occur yet not want to interfere with those who want them.
Nope, it's actually pretty straight-forward. Pro-abortion means you condone pro-abortion legislation; unless you want an even more PC term for it. Pro-choice better for you? Pro-just in case they can't care for the child/the child is the product of rape/the woman is in danger if the child is birthed abortions?