Pro-life

[I Max95]

i have nothing to say about the quote, but as for abortion

i would call myself, reluctantly pro-choice. as in if someone i knew was pregnant and was considering an abortion, i would try as hard as i can to convince them not to do it, no matter what the circumstances are there will always be other options, adoption for example. some may say that a fetus isnt a human being yet, and they may be right, but in essence Abortion is denying the right for a future human being to exist, no, it isnt exactly murder, but it shouldnt be comepletely acceptable either.

but if through it all she still decides to do it, then fine, no matter my personal opinions, free will and choice always comes first in matters as morally grey as this

 

[El Danny]

OMG, he brought up abortion. Well, I'm a woman and I'm very pro-life. I don't think its right to blame and thereby harm the baby for something he/she/it/potato has no control over. But that doesn't matter. In regards to this topic, I wish to quote another comedian Ron White. "Here's the Ron White heightened state of awareness system. It only has two heightened states of awareness. Go find a helmet. Put on the damn helmet."
-_- Time to put on the damn helmet.

It's called a foetus because it isn't a baby, the difference is a foetus isn't actually 'alive' in the sense that it's human. It doesn't learn, think, even feel pain, in fact the foetus stage is far closer to a plant then an animal.

Criminalising abortion because it prevents potential children from coming into existence is as stupid as legalising rape for the same reason.

To be honest, I had heard that first argument and never liked it, personally. Weren't we all a fetus at one point?

As for the second. . . .I fail to see the connection. Rape culture=child safety? Other than the child being a victim which is not the topic here, I don't see how its quid-pro-quo. Please elaborate.

We were also a sperm, doesn't stop millions of frustrated teenage boys giving the ol' bishop a bash. That's billions of potential lives in one sitting, one teenage boy can end far more potential lives in one sitting then abortion ever could.

By defending yourself from an 'unwanted' partner, you're also might be preventing a 'childs' chance of life.

In order to avoid hypocrisy abortion is a nessicary evil, especially seeing criminalising it won't stop it, just make abortion far more dangerous.

But isn't that a little extreme? For both sides? For example, I've heard the point made that 'masturbation is abortion and thereby murder' because of wasted material; but that's ridiculous. May as well hold it against a couple that tried for years with no success. I'd admire they steps being taken, but trying to make one set of reasoning fit for every situation is not necessarily a matter of avoiding hypocrisy, its just not trying hard enough. Reminds me of the crippling thought process that SFDebris spoke of in this 'Prime Directive Discussion'. (^^ Go find him on blip. He's smart and funny!)
Rape is a terrible, terrible thing. If I had my way, I'd say "kill the rapist!" every time. But I know not to, because that rapist has a family of his/her own that now had to deal with their son/daughter did. Same for if a child is involved. All I can do is hope that adoption is chosen for the innocent victim, but its not my decision. I'm not the one bearing the child.
If I may use myself as an example, I have a little daughter on the way myself. I remember seeing that tiny being and hearing that tiny heartbeat when it was only a month in utero; watching it wiggle made me see just how much that little one depended on me. And yet I can only imagine the strange feeling it must inflict on a woman who sees that same little darling and think of nothing but that horrible event. Makes me wonder what that little one would think too, if it could know.
So I agree with you that abortion shouldn't be 'criminalized' otherwise you'll have to include the all extremes including medical-necessary abortion (but for god's sake, let's not talk about that! Too close to home!), I just wish it was an option that didn't have to exist. I wish adoption was more discussed than it is. I wish alternatives would be more discussed. Surely the resources used to fight this issue would be better off finding alternatives. Surely there has to be a balance to protect both mother AND child alike. One step at a time, I guess.

Paragraph 1: I still stand by that the 'potential life' argument is silly because if you use that logic it's not over simplifying, it really is that easy. There's plenty of other chances potential life has, what makes the point of conception so special?

Paragraph 2: Adoption is so under-funded that adoption agencies sometimes struggle to keep track of families that adopt, while I understand parents get too meet perspective adoptive parents, I wouldn't class a few meetings as enough time too judge whether they'll parent my child they way I wish for it, not forgetting that the agency might be blind to any damage they cause the child. The less said about fostering the better.

Paragraph 3: They do feel what you feel, I know a couple of women who have had an abortion and it was not the easy decision that many pro-lifers believe it's used as. They still struggle to come to terms with the decision they made. Most people don't know about it, not because it's embarrassing but because their pain is so deep that if I was to bring it up in conversation with somebody else, I understand why they'd never want to talk to me again.

Paragraph 4: I agree, I wish it didn't have to exist, but please understand that the vast majority of women who have an abortion want another way. Many feel that they'd be unable to handle a child and thus be a terrible parent for many reasons. To young, no money to support a child. I know one young, single mother that even on government benefits she can't afford to feed herself properly after her child, and until the child reaches school, that's the way it'll stay. Even when the child reaches school she'll be stuck working dead end jobs because of the amount of time she'll need for her child. Often the alternatives aren't that much better, some people feel that it isn't just to bring a child into that kind of life.