Prosecutors Request New Bond Conditions For Kyle Rittenhouse In Light Of Him Being Seen With The Proud Boys
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You fundamentally are misunderstanding what the burden of proof means.
The burden of proof does not lie with the person who makes a claim, but rather the person who is making an original claim. I cannot proove that the moon landing happened. I didn't see it. I cannot prove that 6 million Jews died in the holocaust. I could present evidence but a person could always choose to ignore or disbelieve that evidence based on the basis that it's hypothetically possible it could have been fabricated. That's why holocaust deniers exist. But I do not need proof to make these claims, because they are not original assumptions. They are the most reasonable and consistent explanations for the world we live in.
Retreating into the astronomically small and hypothetical possibility that a person who has sustained a head injury could die of an unrelated embolism in such a way that it would appear that they died of the head injury isn't reasonable, it is in and of itself an original assumption. If you made that argument in court, it would be dismissed immediately unless you were able to prove it. The burden is on you to prove it, and until you can it is far more reasonable to accept the logically consistent explanation that the person died as a result of the head injury.
A person is dead. That is a fact requiring an explanation. They need to have died of something. By refusing to accept the most consistent explanation, you are not being justifiably sceptical, you are indulging an assumption that does not deserve to exist.
An "original" claim? Where are you getting this definition from?
I've cited sources that said he died from a blood clot. Those sources could have said that he died from his injuries, or blunt force trauma, but they didn't.
I'm just repeating what the sources say, if you don't like their reporting, take it up with them.
Only in your view. Are you trying to tell me what I meant by the post?
Or you know they want attention to draw people to in / just become aware of them. Because most of the well known ones know they likely will get recognised. Hell the whole "Tell them about said activities" except in this case it's drawing attention to an activity (making the OK hand sign) that is commonly used by others and will get idiots to falsely attack and accuse others.
But he didn't die of blunt force trauma.
This is like saying that you can't prove that stabbing someone caused their death because they died of blood loss in the ambulance on the way to hospital, rather than immediately at the point of stabbing.
Literally posted the police statement.
No, media that invent a rhetoric for their rightwing outrage audience are not official.
For the record, what are you referring to when you say 'cited sources'?
No idea, probably.
But I was referring to that nationalfile article you seemed to think had some merit.
Well, that speaks volumes. You're clearly just labeling every source who says whatever you disagree with as "right-wing" ABC, NBC, whoever.
I don't think that's clear at all.
Look, you've claimed very definitively that no "murder" took place because Sicknick died of a blood clot. That is firstly not provable, and secondly not a reasonable thing to believe. Even if we assume the absolute best case scenario for you, that Sicknick had some underlying medical condition which contributed to his death, the evidence still overwhelmingly suggests that he was murdered.
Again, let's assume that someone is stabbed. The injury would not normally be fatal, but the victim is a haemophiliac and bleeds to death. The person who stabbed them is still responsible.
Do you understand this? Because I know you're really big into the concept of personal responsibility, so I find it hard to believe that you'd be unwilling to fairly allocate responsibility in a case where an actual human being was killed.
A knife is a lethal weapon, and the weilder will be viewed as having lethal intent in court.
What if you just punch a hemophiliac and cause their nose to bleed, and they die because of that? Is that still murder? At worst, it's involuntary manslaughter. You need to factor in intent if you want to make the case for murder.
Are cops murderers when they arrest someone and then they have a heart attack due to the excitement?
If you assault someone with intent to harm and they die due to complications that's murder.
Manslaughter is when someone dies from actions which had no intent to harm, but result in death anyway. Hence the "I didn't mean to hurt anyone" commonly associated with it.
Manslaughter is when someone dies from actions which had no intent to harm, but result in death anyway. Hence the "I didn't mean to hurt anyone" commonly associated with it.
Manslaughter also includes acting out of extreme emotion among other things. Murder charges typically require some demonstration of intent to kill or indifference toward whether or not the actions lead to death, which could plausibly show up here because violent acts carried out in the commission of a crime (assaulting the Capitol) typically qualify as demonstrating such intent or indifference.
The fire extinguisher story is wrong. Nobody knows of it was him who got hit with it. Fact-check yourself.
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Yes, that's murder. If you purposefully punch someone intending them harm and that person dies as a result from the punch then you murdered them. It doesn't matter that you didn't intend them specifically to die, their death was the direct result of your intent to do them harm.
Given the circumstances, it is the responsibility of the defence to prove that it did not.
Unfortunately, you are just flat wrong here. If you deliberately inflict an injury on someone who dies of it because of a congenital illness where a normal person would survive, it is still murder. The intent matters in the sense of intent to commit significant harm, rather than the specific result (injury or death).