Prosecutors Request New Bond Conditions For Kyle Rittenhouse In Light Of Him Being Seen With The Proud Boys

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Dwarvenhobble

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Guys is this still related to the damn fire extinguisher and the Police officer hit with it?

if so it's this simple.

If the medical report determines the clot would have burst due to a light tap on the head it likely will end up at best 3rd degree. If the clot was deemed to not have been near bursting it will be deemed likely 2nd degree (non pre-meditated) because that's far easier to prove and convict on than pre-meditated which would require evidence of planning some raid on the building not just angry idiots breaking in
 

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Guys is this still related to the damn fire extinguisher and the Police officer hit with it?

if so it's this simple.

If the medical report determines the clot would have burst due to a light tap on the head it likely will end up at best 3rd degree. If the clot was deemed to not have been near bursting it will be deemed likely 2nd degree (non pre-meditated) because that's far easier to prove and convict on than pre-meditated which would require evidence of planning some raid on the building not just angry idiots breaking in
I'm no medical expert, but I think that it's not about clots "bursting", it's about clots forming, and blocking blood from getting to where it needs to go.
 

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I'm no medical expert, but I think that it's not about clots "bursting", it's about clots forming, and blocking blood from getting to where it needs to go.
Honestly it can be either as far as I'm aware.

A clot forming = stops Oxygen getting there.

A clot bursting = bleeding often in place you don't want blood.
 

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A clot bursting = bleeding often in place you don't want blood.
I think you might be getting confused between a clot and an aneurysm. An aneurysm is where, usually due to high blood pressure, the blood vessel swells and balloons out, and causes a haemmorrhage if it ruptures.

Also, the term "clot bursting" doesn't really exist with any medical relevance. You would talk about "clot busting" in terms of breaking down the clot, often in relation to treatment of stroke or pulmonary embolism using drugs like tissue plasminogen activator or streptokinase.
 
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I think you might be getting confused between a clot and an aneurysm. An aneurysm is where, usually due to high blood pressure, the blood vessel swells and balloons out, and causes a haemmorrhage if it ruptures.

Also, the term "clot bursting" doesn't really exist with any medical relevance. You would talk about "clot busting" in terms of breaking down the clot, often in relation to treatment of stroke or pulmonary embolism using drugs like tissue plasminogen activator or streptokinase.
I think I was confusing it with the thing related to Gigantism where a head injury can be fatal
 

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*Looks at boxing, UFC, where people get punched/kicked/elbowed in the head by professional athletes*
Yeah okay
Watch them again. Most of those hits, especially at the elite level, are being parried, dodged and/or blocked. When a fighter manages to breach those defences and gets a good hit in on his opponent's head or face, it sends them reeling and stumbling all over the shop. There are serious concerns for the future of boxing as a sport because all of the head trauma injuries are getting harder and harder to avoid or explain away.
 

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And the prosecuters got it too, no palling around with neo-nazis or drinking anymore for our intrepid murderer.
 

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And the prosecuters got it too, no palling around with neo-nazis or drinking anymore for our intrepid murderer.
So how is he suppose to know again?

Yes he might know those guys but how will he know if he ends up drinking with some others.

No-one can seemingly answer the question of just how he's supposed to know who is and isn't one?
 

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No-one can seemingly answer the question of just how he's supposed to know who is and isn't one?
Firstly, in order breach his conditions, he has to know a person he is associating with is of the relevant proscribed groups. (Usual legal standards of "know" in this context tend to include "have good reason to believe" / "should have known".)

Otherwise, he is expected to know stuff in the same way that everyone else is.
 
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So how is he suppose to know again?

Yes he might know those guys but how will he know if he ends up drinking with some others.

No-one can seemingly answer the question of just how he's supposed to know who is and isn't one?
Presumably, if someone knows who Kyle is and what he did and still thinks he's a good guy they want to have a drink with, they're almost certainly off-limits.
 
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Presumably, if someone knows who Kyle is and what he did and still thinks he's a good guy they want to have a drink with, they're almost certainly off-limits.
Yup. If you're a notorious double-killer and someone wants to sing "Proud Of My Boy" to you, even if you didn't know the specific adoption by a militia group, something might twig that these guys have a certain inclination.

These guys weren't just two pub randos either: Rittenhouse was seen entering the bar with them strongly implying that they had already met, and he was wearing a t-shirt saying, somewhat provocatively, "Free as F**k" and had three alcoholic drinks. I find it hard to believe that someone who has mixed in the social circles Rittenhouse has could fail to be aware of the far right co-opting the okay symbol, too. One way or another, this does not paint not a picture of some hapless, delicate innocent being exploited by two older men.

We might also note that throughout this his mother was in attendance (hence the legality of the three drinks he had). Her complicity in all this tells us something about how she thinks, and with parents like that, likely how Rittenhouse ended up putting bullets into other humans.
 

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Also broadly speaking, when you’re on remand/bail like Rittenhouse - irrespective of my notions of his guilt or not - the smart thing to do that his lawyer has or should have drilled into his head is “Keep your head down and nose clean”. This......is neither of those things.
 
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