consoles shouldnt phase out local multiplayer, for the good of everyone, one of the mayor reasons for the recent surge in local multiplayer among PC games is PC ports of console games with local multiplayerGonzoGamer said:
PS4 Hits 7 Million - Consoles Really Aren't In Trouble
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But really, if the PC starts to get the same amount of local multiplayer games as the console, what's the point of getting a console; for me? I already have to have a pc for other uses, and I get one robust enough for gaming anyway.NuclearKangaroo said:
Too bad. Would be better if the actual foundations of the industry get shaked, to change things a little.
I don't think people are arguing that every console will make it. Saturn, Dreamcast, virtua boy anyone?WeepingAngels said:
The idea is that there is a profitable and significant demand for consoles. That has been proven ergo the market as a whole is not in danger.
Look, I have a very powerful PC and I have consoles. There are advantages and disadvantages for each. It took a lot of training with a history in computers to get to the point where I could buy and build my own pc for a reasonable price range. At the $400 price point, the ps4 is a great deal. Fantastic even. It's $400 plug and play for a machine that is promised to be supported for the life of the generation. If my computer eventually fell under minimum specs there would be no porting experts trying to cram a game into it but there will be developers making games fit on the ps4 at the end of the generation. Additionally, I've had driver conflicts that have required more than average computer knowledge to fix. A driver update broke a game and it was only because I knew how to roll back a driver that I was able to fix it. My computer is also more than twice the price of the ps4 but I admit that it's possible my computer will survive the entire generation since it appears to be much more powerful than the ps4.
That being said, $1,500 pc's during the age of the ps3 only just meets minimum specs today and are far above the 513 Mbs of partitioned RAM with video cards that are more powerful on paper. So maybe the optimizations of standardized equipment (such as GDDR5 RAM that is fit so close to the chip that it removes the standard latency issue that would otherwise prevent GDDR5 from being good at handling DDR3 tasks) and specific developer attention count for a lot more than we think.
People can spend money on whatever they want to. Personally, I'm not a fan of paying for the right to play multiplayer for a game I already bought, so I likely won't be buying a Microsoft or Sony console ever again. I much rather take that money and spend it on steam sales, but to each their own. Besides, I fail to see this tidal wave of 'must-have' exclusives every Sony fanboy talks about, so the console has literally nothing to offer for me.
You two seem to be jumping on nothing here. [a href=http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-console-sales-top-the-us-chart-but-xbox-one-has-comparable-numbers-1233774]Here you go.[/a]Lightknight said:
I know the xbox one is behind the PS4 but calling it a failure because of that is kinda faboyish. The Wii dominating last gen didn't mean the 360 or PS3 were crap. They still sold very well.
Ok, the link to the US chart. If I lose three fingers but only show you one good one does that mean my other fingers are fine too? Keep in mind that the 360 DESTROYED the ps3 in the US. I mean, the ps3 had to buy extra lube at the store every time they even thought of the 360 US market. That the ps4 is beating the XBO even by a little bit is a drastic loss of market share for Microsoft and Sony's lead is even higher in European markets and Microsoft isn't even trying Japan so that's all Sony's too.Saucycarpdog said:
Oh no, someone said something mean about a console someone else likes. It must be fanboyism!
Yes, they all sold pretty well. Sony floundered in the first year or so too with poor pricing decisions.
If for nothing else than the amount of market share lost so far in this generation the XBO could be considered a failure in its own right. Much like when the Saturn handed the ps1 all of its market share on a platter and doomed Sega forever.
But the XBO can turn things around, just like the PS3 did. But the problem with the XBO isn't just pricing so it'll be a bit harder than the PS3. Resolution issues and power disparity are pretty bad things to try and overcome in conjunction with a price issue. At least the ps3 appeared more powerful before we realised just how hampered it was by the proprietary hardware.
Look, sometimes people say things because of numbers and not because they're fans or not fans of something. At present course, the XBO is doing poorly. When the data shifts, so will my statement.
But all three were supposed to be doomed! They are clearly the inferior choice to PCs in every sense. She's supposed to be the "hooker" (to continue the metaphor) that not only offers the best sex, but sex that cures cancer.Ultratwinkie said:
Or, at least, that's the impression you'd be forgiven for taking away if you listened to the PC echo chamber.
And while something might change tomorrow, it's horribly unlikely that they're going to change the outcome. I mean, anything can happen. Gravity might not work the same way tomorrow, but odds are it will. And odds are likely that you will see the problems with the sales of a product like this up front.
When gamers start acting like consumers, we may see foundations shake. Until then, welcome to lackluster console iterations.Mangue Surfer said:
The Wii U is doing poorly, the Xbox One is selling fine. It's sold double what the Xbox 360 sold at this point and double what the PS3 had sold by this point. In fact relative to release times the Xbox One is outselling the Wii. Just because the PS4 is selling fantastically isn't a reason to assume the Xbox One isn't doing well.WeepingAngels said:
The reason they're not releasing numbers is because they can't keep pace with Sony which is selling at a lightning pace now and to try and minimise bad PR they said they weren't going to announce console milestones. I would be entirely unsurprised if they've crossed 5 million by this point (their last numbers were January).
So 1 console is selling incredibly, 1 is doing well and 1 is doing poorly. So exactly like every other console generation.
EDIT: Ha flipped over to Polygon and this is literally the first thing I see =D
http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/17/5626130/xbox-one-sales-5-million
Smug face =D
For comparison the Xbox One has sold 1.4 million more units by this point than the PS3, 1.8 million more than the 360, but is .84 below the Wii. (It's also already 1.6 million ahead of where the Wii U was)
So Sony has sold 7 million units and is having trouble meeting the demand? Yep. Consoles are dead. Just like PC gaming is dying.
The PS4 is currently dominating in sales. If it continues to sell at this pace, it could hit the lofty goal of 100 million units sold, putting it up with it's older brothers PS1 and PS2. It may be a long shot, but it's not completely impossible. PS3 sold 82 million, and PS4 seems to be off to a much better start, so it's not impossible.
Xbox One is probably not selling as well as Microsoft would like, but it is certainly selling well. Time will tell how well it does, but I wouldn't count Xbox One out. Especially not in North America where it has been selling it's best.
As for the Wii U, it's not selling as well as it should be, but it's not DOA in comparison to the others in total sales. It's just selling very poorly for how long it's been on the market. Which does not look to be a problem for either PS4 or Xbox One. Also, all Nintendo consoles, excluding the Wii have sold poorly and actually worse than the previous one. So, this (sadly for Nintendo) is not out of the ordinary. More of a return to form.
[sub]Just watch the NDF quote me 100 times claiming that I hate the Big N just for this part of my post. Not praising Nintendo for everything means you hate them.[/sub]
I'm with ya on FPS games, though. I'm not a fan. I'm hoping that we'll see more variety in the coming generation.
You may need to go back to school. Your math is all wrong.WeepingAngels said:
The PS4 is currently dominating in sales. If it continues to sell at this pace, it could hit the lofty goal of 100 million units sold, putting it up with it's older brothers PS1 and PS2. It may be a long shot, but it's not completely impossible. PS3 sold 82 million, and PS4 seems to be off to a much better start, so it's not impossible.
Xbox One is probably not selling as well as Microsoft would like, but it is certainly selling well. Time will tell how well it does, but I wouldn't count Xbox One out. Especially not in North America where it has been selling it's best.
As for the Wii U, it's not selling as well as it should be, but it's not DOA in comparison to the others in total sales. It's just selling very poorly for how long it's been on the market. Which does not look to be a problem for either PS4 or Xbox One. Also, all Nintendo consoles, excluding the Wii have sold poorly and actually worse than the previous one. So, this (sadly for Nintendo) is not out of the ordinary. More of a return to form.
[sub]Just watch the NDF quote me 100 times claiming that I hate the Big N just for this part of my post. Not praising Nintendo for everything means you hate them.[/sub]
I'm with ya on FPS games, though. I'm not a fan. I'm hoping that we'll see more variety in the coming generation.
Um... That says sold to retailers. That's not even close to the same thing. Most numbers I have puts Xbox One around 4.2 million units. Not bad numbers mind you. but certainly not 5 million. That article seems to be intentionally misleading. Or more correctly, Microsoft is intentionally misleading with the report.BrotherRool said:
Ok, [a href=http://www.joystiq.com/2014/03/17/titanfall-helps-the-xbox-one-almost-double-up-in-the-uk/]here's[/a] the UK chart. Sorry I couldn't find any sales charts for the rest of Europe but don't flame me on that.Lightknight said:
I know the PS4 is still ahead but your idea of this HUGE amount of lost market share might be off. Maybe I'll be more convinced if you actually showed info instead of analogies.
Did I strike a nerve or something? Settle down. I stand by my words as you still have yet to show some info. Yes, I didn't expect the Xbox to dominate in Japan as THEY NEVER HAVE. But that doesn't represent the whole world.
What numbers? All you've shown is that the PS4 is ahead of the Xbox One, but not this huge market share loss you keep talking about.
I was actually specifically looking out for that and missed it -_- even though it's in the first line. In my defence, MS are definitely trying to deliberately mislead here, everyone knows the term is 'shipped'. You don't talk about 'sold... to retailers' unless you want to manipulate the headline into saying 5 million sold.Saltyk said:
Technically those numbers are still good. I think it's still higher than the 360 and the PS3, but considering Titanfall and the price cuts, they are being stomped on by Sony right now.
It still doesn't lose them the race, thanks to releasing a year earlier the 360 had 5 million over the PS3 in the PS3's first 6 months and it still didn't recover. But Microsoft have lost a huge amount of ground in a lot of countries and have shown no sign of regaining it elsewhere. If the lead continues until the end of this year (and if Titanfall failed to make the difference, at what point is MS going to produce a more world-changing IP than Sony? Last time Sony caught up with them eventually and not much has changed) then soon we're going to be in a situation where people start asking 'which console do all my friends have?'
It's not going to happen. There was a chance they were going to get a CEO who would do that (although thanks to the inter-connectedness of their tech it was inadvisable) but the new CEO has double down on the Xbox. In fact MS are in the process of remaining a couple of their services 'Xbox X', I think their media store is one of those examples.Ultratwinkie said:
At the moment Microsoft have finally gotten it together and seen the connected world everyone saw 5 years ago. They haven't yet made their space on mobiles, they don't have tablets either, they only sort of have the internet and all that was losing them a lot of ground with businesses and stuff like Google Docs was even beginning to enroach. The new head of Xbox is head of 'devices and studios'
So the idea now is they leverage the areas they are strong compared to the competition, and they consider the Xbox amongst that, and then they're going to begin trying to unify their tech paths. One of their biggest announcements recently was that they're designing code that will allow people to create an app that will work on the PC, on tablets, on phones and (eventually) on the Xbox One. More than that I suspect that Kinects voice control and motion recognition is really important technology within MS right now, it puts them in a good place to be on top of the next UI revolution. For example, if VR became big than Kinect would offer the best motion technology for that sort of system.
Nintendo won't leave because they've got nowhere else to go. I still think they're better off abandoning the Wii U and focusing on the 3DS but it won't happen. They'll rely on their core fanbase and just go through the gamecube years again. It minimises the losses because the things which attract those fans, Zelda games etc, will sell like blockbusters. As far as the conservative choice it's correct and it keeps them in the market. I still think they could really go places with their handhelds if they put all their attention on them though.
I would say only the Wii U is doing poorly, the Xbone is doing roughly the same numbers as the 360 did in it's first year and despite it's many failings as a piece of hardware it's not failing on sales. The 360 had the market to itself when it launched, so matching those sales with the PS4 looming over it is quite positive.WeepingAngels said:
However, it is selling poorly relative to the PS4, which is selling much faster than anyone expected it to, including Sony. I would say that the completely unexpected success of the PS4 is skewing the market, rather than that the Xbone is failing as such.
The Wii U however is doomed, even with Smash Brothers coming there's no hope for the box nobody wants even at half the price.
I'm iffy about that article, it's not actually based on anything that happened and some of the suggestions it's making fly in the face of the actions Microsoft have been taking. For example, it recommends losing Bing but Bing has in the last few weeks been made a huge part of Microsofts Windows 8.1 Phone strategy, the MS Google Now, Siri replacement is running off Bing hardware and Windows 8.1 PC only increased Window's Bing dependence.Ultratwinkie said:
Amongst the things that Microsoft announced during their Build conference was the Xbox One being involved in MS' universal App strategy and their first ever universal app was Halo: Spartan Assault.
Apart from anything else, think of the logistical nightmare that would be selling off the Xbox One. They've called their personal assistant Cortana, as I've said their media services are called 'Xbox _', Skype and Bing are integral portions of the Xbox One and there's a lot of shared code their. If they tried to sell it off it would be a huge mess of cross-branding and cross-licensing that would only hurt all the companies involved.
The Xbox Two won't ever exist, but I can't see how it would even be profitable to ditch the Xbox now after they've already made all the investment
I wouldn't say Xbox 2 won't exist. I think the next consoles will be large. As small as they can make the components of a proprietary gaming tower. Lol, the Dellbox. "Dude, your getting a Dell!" I think the Steambox just "showed" consoles a good way to do it. LOL, it probably won't sell well though. Add a blueray player, does it have one?BrotherRool said:
Just because it hasn't succeeded yet doesn't mean it won't. Microsoft cannot afford to abandon this strategy and they know this. The PC market is effectively shrinking as touch devices take up more and more of it's function. What's more businesses, Microsoft's long standing stronghold, have begun to reject Microsoft products because it's too useful for them to distribute to people tablets and phones which are then connected to everything else.Ultratwinkie said:
If Microsoft were to abandon their phone and tablet strategy the company would cease to exist as a real player in the tech field within 15 years. And what's more Microsoft know that which is why they are doubling down on that strategy.
All their failures are short term. Windows 8 failed just like Windows Vista failed, just like Windows 2000 failed. For over 16 years now Microsoft have gone through a cycle where they put out a really popular operating system and then they try to completely reinvent it and everyone hates it and then they polish the concept and everyone loves the next one. Just as Windows XP was the Windows 2000 that everyone loved and Windows 7 was the Windows Vista that everyone loved, Windows 9 will be the Windows 8 that every loves.
In phone terms, the Windows Phone market has only been growing and has now reached 10% marketshare in a number of markets. In terms of tech Windows Phone 8.1 is by many accounts a desirable piece of software [http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/windows-phone-8-1-review-a-magnificent-smartphone-platform/] but it doesn't have the app support to really establish itself yet. That's where the genius of universal apps lies, if they can make porting trivial between the PC, tablet and phone it gives them a way into that market that they didn't have before.
Microsoft have the money to pursue this strategy, they have the time and stability to absorb these losses whilst they improve on their services and increase their market share. They have the knowledge that this is something that needs to be done to allow the company to continue and they've revealed the intention to do it. Even if it were a bad idea (which it's not) it's still what they're going to try to do and what we're going to see happen over the next 5+ years
