You do realize that there are televisions that only had Svideo do you not? They sold all of these different connections at different times, depending on the Television it may have only one or multiple connections some were only sold with DVI, some were only sold with SVideo, some were only sold with component. I know that I cannot expect everyone to be as informed about electronics as I am ( I have actually repaired and modded Televisons as a well btw), but arrogance about a subject you are obviously ill informed about does not strengthen your argument. What is there to argue about here really? Because someone might want one of these due to the hassle of lugging around their console? You are arguing there is no hassle? Seriously? It sounds more like you are only arguing for the sake of arguing and disregarding the fact that not all Televisions share the same connections. I supplied you with pictures of the different connection types because you seemed to be under the false impression that all Televisions had HDMI or they had to be in a hotel...J Tyran said:Okay so you went from clutching one straw to another to using truncated pictures in an attempt to prop up your failed argument to outright childishness. (By way the one with stereo inputs will have other component inputs and the one with S-Video obviously has a VGA input which means it will have other RCA inputs, finally the TV with a DVI input will almost certainly have a HDMI input. Both TVs with the VGA and DVI share the same hardware with the other analogue and digital inputs respectively, for the TV without any input at all you are talking about a TV over 30yrs old, seriously)Lil devils x said:You do realize that not all TVs will hook up to rca cables either? My parents TV, for example, only has a connection that looks like this:J Tyran said:So several paragraphs and you still didn't explain how this is better than just taking the console and a $25 HDMI>RCA cable... If there is only one TV in the house that isn't HDMI capable and the brother is hogging it chances are a Playstation 4 coming to the house would be an outstanding once in a lifetime experience and the brother would want in on it...Lil devils x said:Here is a poll for you to get an idea of just the people on this site who either own non HDMI tv's or know someone who does:J Tyran said:Neither of those links support your case, further more you suggest a $1500 soloution to someone poor enough to lack a TV made within the last years rather than a $25 HDMI>RCA conversion lead. So yeah in your mind this is a plausible scenario "Oh I'm going to take my modern digital output only console to XXXXXs house, darnit they only have an old fashioned TV! Good news though, I can spend around $1400 more than a cheap TV to carry with me for a Playstation 4 that looks like a laptop! Genius".Lil devils x said:Where do you live that the only TVs without HDMI's are in hotels? That comes across as extremely sheltered. LOL MANY families do not yet have HDMI tvs in all rooms in their house. I live in the wealthiest per sq ft county in the state of Texas surrounded by billionaires and still many do not have all HDMI TVSs yet here. My parents do not even own an HDMI TV yet, My sister does not either, her kids are forced to use the cables and hook up via a dvd player. Yes, we have people of different income levels that are all friends here, so yea the guy who has enough money to afford this gaming system can still bring it to a friends house who does not and they can still play together.J Tyran said:The only TVs around without a HDMI port are hotel ones, why triple the size of the console they have to carry and weld on a small screen instead of just carrying the console there and plugging it in? If you are talking about a less developed country with people having 10yr old+ TVs as the most common ones around a PS4 is already a lot of money there, so more than tripling the cost of a PS4 is a practical solution to that? Oh yeah the parties, lets not forget that! So instead of spilling booze on a $400 Playstation let them spill it on on a $1500 Playstation! Of course thats only for the parties at a place that has a non existent TV that lacks HDMI ports.Lil devils x said:I am not talking about kids on trains and buses, in fact there are no kids on trains and buses here since there is no public transport here. Instead, we have kids shuffling back and forth between divorced parents houses lugging their game stations (lifelines to their friends at school) with them. We see kids walking to their friends houses carrying playstations in their arms as well so they can play too because their friends brother won't share with them, then you get there and find out their TV doesn't even hook up to it so how are you guys supposed to play it when you do not even have the right hook ups?J Tyran said:Right... because kids will want an overpriced and impractical Playstation crammed into an oversized laptop form factor. Something we have all seen people want of course? All those kids on trains and busses with things like these... Of all the rebuttals you could have come up with this is probably the poorest, even when Sony tried that PS1 with a screen for cars and things it flopped miserably. Laptops like that? Sell pretty well yet there is no market for these apart from a few people that want one because they want one (where there is nothing wrong with that really, its just ass backwards in the face of superior products). I know you are defensive about the consoles lack of performance, thats understandable and it must hurt to see how a even the "portable" gaming PCs surpass consoles in performance now but trying to claim a home brew PS4 case mod is the most awesome and practical thing ever is a bit of a stretch.Lil devils x said:SO will this allow teens to play with their friends on play station ? If it doesn't serve that purpose, it is irrelevant to what they were trying to do here. The issue they are resolving here are kids/ teens/ young adults being able to play with their friends on play stations and have it portable.J Tyran said:No they aren't, not really. Its big and bulky and still expensive, something like a Gigabyte Aorus X3 [http://www.aorus.com/x3.aspx] outperforms it and is a fraction of the size.Hairless Mammoth said:While these are impressive,
We all know what PC gaming can do, but what PC gaming can and cannot do is irrelevant to kids wanting to play with their friends on playstations. LOL
Even if this argument could actually stand the PS4 doesn't even have that many local co-op games, so you would end up taking turns. In which case again its edged out by a gaming laptop again.
(waits for you to insert fake and impractical scenario where you claim people have done rather than just carrying a console to a freinds and plugging a console in or are your friends really eager to play angry birds co-op on a $1500 playstation on the bus?)
If you were spared this, you were lucky, because where I come from, I remember hauling my game systems and my gaming rigs around to friends houses and it is a terrible pain in the ass to do. Many kids haul their game system around, and the small portable hand helds do nothing to solve the problem for it's intended use.
Defensive of consoles... WHAAA? I am a pc gamer, builder, and modder so what exactly am I defensive about? I build not only my own computers, but actually mod parts for them ( not just cases). I am not afraid to solder a motherboard as needed. I personally have never even attempted a console mod, but there is no reason I should belittle them because they choose to, that would make me an ass, and I really do not see any point in behaving in such ways simply because they have a different preference.
Relax, It is okay if we Pc gamers encourage console modders for doing their thing. We are all one gaming family. It comes across as extremely creepy to flip out on someone patting a modder on the back, we have nothing to be threatened by. I see both consoles and PC gaming having their place, besides, consoles are great for parties, do you really want a bunch of drunks manhandling your gaming rig, no throw a playstation out there for them to kick around and spill beer on instead. LOL
You're really not thinking any of this through.
You might be part of some kind of gaming family but I'm not, I'm not one of you.
I think you are not the one thinking this through. Many in the US do not have HDMI TVs in every room.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/media/03television.html?_r=0
http://press.anu.edu.au/agenda/016/03/mobile_devices/ch10s05.html
No, you do not need to be part of a gaming family to understand that wealthy kids and middle class kids often play together too.
Keep clutching them straws.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.862991-Poll-Do-you-or-someone-you-know-still-own-non-HDMI-TVs
I never suggested a $1500 solution to a person poor enough not to afford an HDMI tv, I suggested that a person who can afford such can still take it to a friends house and not worry about what that family can afford and still have fun playing playstation as well.
Yea the reason I brought my game stations to my friends houses as well was because they did not have one for me to play on, that is no different these days with kids as it was then. Sure many have an HDMI tv in their living room, then older TVs in their kids rooms, then you get there and they have a brother hogging the TV in the living room with the playstation and his friends sitting there so you have no hope of you and your friends playing at all unless you somehow can come up with a TV and another gamestation. Where I grew up we have teens who drove lamborghinis in school with kids who drove cars that looked like this:
We all went to each others houses and hung out together regardless of how much money each family has. I would have loved to have one of these to solve the problems associated with trying to haul and hook up a game system at a friends house.![]()
Were you an only child who never had to fight with siblings over use of the TV or gaming systems and never went to friends houses I am curious as to how you gain such a perspective? Wealthy kids and non wealthy kids play together all the time here, this is considered normal.
As for my growing up... I grew up on a rough council estate with most of my friends having more than one kid, divorced parents, jailed parents... No Lambos whatsoever though, an Escort XR3i was about as good as it got and no-one was that poor that every house didn't have several TVs in.
Anyone that poor didn't have house at all and Playstation was the least of their concerns.
some only have this:![]()
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Yes, people often only have one HDMI TV and have playstation 4's, they expect their kids to share, problem is there is often not enough playstation to go around when kids have friends over at the same time.
I know it is hard for you to imagine that someone else might actually want one of these but I am sure there are many who do. Simply because you do not see a need for it does not mean you should be offended at anyone who does. Honestly, I personally have no need for one of these currently but you are making the best case for buying one ever. I could make one of these if I really wanted to since I have the skills to do so, however, with as much as you have been offended at their mere existence, I think I should buy one from this guy just to spite you, then send the picture of it with hearts on it to all my friends to use as their avatar so you will see it wherever they post. It is silly to argue about whether someone might want a product you do not. When I was a teen, I would have LOVED to have one.
FYI I don't actually hate it and if you back and read what I posted several of your sharks ago I actually said I can understand people wanting one just because they want one and all I questioned was its actual practicality in the face of much better options. If you want one have fun with it, I bet after the initial "look how cool this is" it would sit there which again is something I know well as my house is full of "look how cool this is" but nonetheless you gave me a good chuckle with this juvenile display so props for that show of "gamer" behaviour (just more evidence on the pile really).