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Banister75

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What are our honest opinions about games, as a community.

Since video games are now considered art by the Smithsonian, what do we think about this, and other discussions on video games. What do we think about the PSN outrage, and ways we and Sony could try to narrow down this problem,and how Sony could threat it's users better. What are our thoughts about whether games were better then,or now, our thoughts on Fox news, or Australia's methods of banning video games. How we feel about the 7 generations and their games, and the discussion between the communities of consoles. And how we think video games will be in the future.
 

rod_hynes

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I don't think a broad statement like "video games are art" is necessarily true, just as not every picture in a frame isn't art... not all video games are either. Games are getting better, games used to have little or no story, now we have games that is nothing but. They are more interactive, and more accessible. I am prob one of the few that aren't upset at Sony for the way they handled the breach of security. I don't think letting us know something than saying... well thats all we know for now... would have helped the issue.
 

LostAlone

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I agree that games are by and large getting better. Us nerdy types can rail against the generic cover based shooter with the generic soldier plot, but you can't mess with success. Also between airport scenes and slowly dying in a nuclear explosion, they can still offer us something is they put their mind to it.

In the past games were about fun, or a certain type of slightly masochistic trial and error. They were about beating the game and having fun getting there.

Nowerdays, as far as a lot (not all, but enough to screw it for the rest of us) of people are concerned, the only measure of a game is how awesome the deathmatch mode is, and that pisses me the hell off. I really had hoped we'd have grown out of that by now. I mean, online shooting is fun, and it'll never go away, but its gotten to the point where even good developers barely bother trying (see Brink).

I think that this trend is going to die off, at least in terms of a games primary function. The market is already so crowded its borderline stupid, and so I think we'll see more interesting approaches to multiplayer, ideally better and more compelling co-op which I think has been overlooked a lot outside of Portal 2. We're also due a resurgence of good single player games. Again, I think we'll see this come back to the fore soon, probably on the next console generation.

As far as games as art. Well... Not everything can really be that kind of game. Almost no-one can do it intentionally, and those who try tend to make shoddy knockoffs of games that did it accidently. Something becomes art by having a deep, compelling, original story, characters that you want to explore and are sad to part with and genuinely innovative design. It needs a combination of incredibly good fundamentals and the X-factor of human condition subtext.

If every game was like that, no-one would buy them. Almost no genuinely great games get bought by large numbers of people. Take Rez. Rez is an AMAZING games, and is genuinely art. It was an experience of something so different to anything else, putting you into a synesthic universe of weird unknown sci-fi. And practically no-one bought it compared to utterlly non-art mainstream games.

So yeah, we'll get the odd gem, but we'll mostly get good, playable, enjoyable blockbusters, because those are the ones that really make the money. TBH I think its kinda pretentious to harp on at the need for more art in gaming. Some games can be art, but mostly that was irrelevant while you were playing it, and indeed your motivation was entertainment not illumination. You look back afterwards and go 'Wow', but throughout you were just enjoying the game for what it was.
 

Hamish Durie

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so what if we are considerd an artform I have always considered games to be art but now it's official this will probably result in better games being made more poeple playing games and hopefully the world has realised that games aren't just for kids and never where just for kids.
my opinon on the PSN outage: not surprised that one of the big companys got hacked but instead of ranting about how sony could welcome us back properly i can point at the new extracredits video and say "pretty much that".
 

Joran Betker

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Video games are definatly in the art media. Shadow of the Colossus and Final Fantasy X showed us that video games can take us to a new world and make us cry with engaging story lines. (Atleast I cried in these games I dont know about anyone else). I think though many of the video games I like are not the kind of games that are selling right now. I think with some video game companies, they are afraid to try something new and instead they make a quick sell out on a game that is popular. God of War spawned Dante's Inferno, Call of Duty spawned Homefront. Although people would beg to differ with me, I think it is easy to see this in all forms of media. Look at Zombies and Vampires now. Since twilight Vampires have became much more then just a horrific myth that creeps in the night sucking blood, it has become a girls dream boyfriend and ect. 10 years ago we would have never cared about a zombie apocolypes and now you can by 500 page books on how to survive a zombie apocolypes. People will write books and create art that is assosiated with zombies and vampires to just make a couple quick bucks. I think the same could be true with gaming. Halo, redefinded the console FPS and companies took that and made more games based on the success of bungie while making it "unique" where as games that were not as successful we hear about once and never hear about again. As gamers or nerds.... what ever you want to call us, our job is to just enjoy the games. So in the future I just hope I enjoy some more good games
 

Banister75

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Hamish Durie said:
so what if we are considerd an artform I have always considered games to be art but now it's official this will probably result in better games being made more poeple playing games and hopefully the world has realised that games aren't just for kids and never where just for kids.
my opinon on the PSN outage: not surprised that one of the big companys got hacked but instead of ranting about how sony could welcome us back properly i can point at the new extracredits video and say "pretty much that".
I always found games as a art form, I believe games can really be a great experience, instead of just a game. I despise people who look right to the graphics, or the system maker on how to define a good game. I think the music, visuals, characters, plot, and gameplay all play a factor on what makes the game what it is, and how we call it art of an experience.
As for Sony,I don't think it's really their fault, because even the U.S. government can get hacked. I think Sony and other companies will try to overcome this, yet I don't think we will ever get over it. This is why I think it is always good to have more than one console, instead of making fun of the people who got their information stolen because they have a different console.
 

AyreonMaiden

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My thoughts on gaming...

I think gaming has never been better than it is now. There is so much quality, variety and depth in today's gaming experiences that I find myself dumbstruck by anyone who wishes for the days of the SNES and the NES again.

Regarding art, I don't care. I don't damn those who do or those who are against it. I personally think they're a medium by which to create toys as well as meaningful works on different layers.

On a social level, I don't care at all who agrees with me on that, nor am I part of the "movement" to advocate it. I find it pointless. I love games in my way and that's all. There's no "movement" to be had when the only solution is for the generations that don't take it seriously die off. It's just a matter of patience which we, in our giddy excitement over our bleeps and bloops, know nothing about.

Politically speaking, I also couldn't care less about games being art. One country in the world is warming up to the idea. ONE. Out of how many? You think this changes anything? You think suddenly Australia will sell you Mortal Kombat? What about China's censorships? Will Japan suddenly not ostracize game otaku because the USA thinks it's art? The NEA's funding of games was bound to happen, but this is ONE country. Once again, PATIENCE IS KEY. Let those politicians die off. Let casual players become interested in the deeper games. All at its own pace.