PSVR Price finally announced: $399/?399/?349/?44,980

[xaszatm]

Also, there is no way Sony is favored over Nintendo. Maybe Microsoft, but that's purely because of how pathetic the Xbone launch was. I myself have a lot of problems, their PS4 was the reason I am now looking at getting into PC gaming.

Well I'd say sales figures prove you wrong there...

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Also, there is no way Sony is favored over Nintendo. Maybe Microsoft, but that's purely because of how pathetic the Xbone launch was. I myself have a lot of problems, their PS4 was the reason I am now looking at getting into PC gaming.

Well I'd say sales figures prove you wrong there...

Sure, they're winning in the sales department, not quite in the "We won't get angry at you for doing stupid shit" department. People just as cynical with Sony as they are with Nintendo. Of course, I am just basing this off reactions in the comments sections of YouTube and gaming websites.

 

[Longview]

You must be reading different comments to me then, Sony can literally do no wrong...even them dropping the Vita was twisted into a positive thing by people

 

[xaszatm]

Sure, whatever.

Hey, hows about we actually have a thread on this where we talk about the product, its tech, rather than how butthurt fanboys are or aren't and how oppressive the great evil Sony is?

So moving on.

I saw this article that says that whilst the headset is good, the controls really bring it down:
http://www.gizmag.com/playstation-vr-review-hands-on-gdc/42321/

Far as I'm aware this is the only site reporting this, but it does seem possible, after all the camera wasn't made with VR in mind and the Move controller is some pretty old tech. One issue they point out is that the game Golum was unresponsive during sword fights, the person wrote:
"But when I went to counter my opponents' moves, the controller didn't respond well at all. Tracking was inaccurate and inconsistent. It sorta swung in the general direction I was aiming (most of the time) but it couldn't track speed with any reliability (so you're left swinging the controller in slow motion) and has way too low an overall accuracy no matter how quickly you move the controllers."

The thing is, in this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqToSHG2zXA
The devs say that the controls lag behind on purpose to emulate the slowness of the giant golum you're playing. So you might be able to dismiss the article on that point. Still, they have another example which can cast doubt on Sony's choice to go with this pre existing tech. From what I hear most games will use the DS4, that might not be a coincidence...

 

[DefunctTheory]

Also, there is no way Sony is favored over Nintendo. Maybe Microsoft, but that's purely because of how pathetic the Xbone launch was. I myself have a lot of problems, their PS4 was the reason I am now looking at getting into PC gaming.

Well I'd say sales figures prove you wrong there...

Sure, they're winning in the sales department, not quite in the "We won't get angry at you for doing stupid shit" department. People just as cynical with Sony as they are with Nintendo. Of course, I am just basing this off reactions in the comments sections of YouTube and gaming websites.

For the love of...

What you're talking about is the vocal minority. With a few exceptions, they don't matter. At all.

Sure, whatever.

Hey, hows about we actually have a thread on this where we talk about the product, its tech, rather than how butthurt fanboys are or aren't and how oppressive the great evil Sony is?

So moving on.

I saw this article that says that whilst the headset is good, the controls really bring it down:
http://www.gizmag.com/playstation-vr-review-hands-on-gdc/42321/

Far as I'm aware this is the only site reporting this, but it does seem possible, after all the camera wasn't made with VR in mind and the Move controller is some pretty old tech. One issue they point out is that the game Golum was unresponsive during sword fights, the person wrote:
"But when I went to counter my opponents' moves, the controller didn't respond well at all. Tracking was inaccurate and inconsistent. It sorta swung in the general direction I was aiming (most of the time) but it couldn't track speed with any reliability (so you're left swinging the controller in slow motion) and has way too low an overall accuracy no matter how quickly you move the controllers."

The thing is, in this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqToSHG2zXA
The devs say that the controls lag behind on purpose to emulate the slowness of the giant golum you're playing. So you might be able to dismiss the article on that point. Still, they have another example which can cast doubt on Sony's choice to go with this pre existing tech. From what I hear most games will use the DS4, that might not be a coincidence...

Hmm... maybe Sony shouldn't have let a purposelessly laggy game out as a demo for VR. Oh well.

Besides that, though...

Back to the games, Rez Infinite is a standout ? a potential first-gen VR killer game.

Why didn't anyone tell me Rez was coming back in VR form? Excuse me while I go buy a PS4 and pre-order a Sony VR set.

EDIT: Also, uh... it's Golem, not Golum. I thought there as another LotR game for a second.

 

[Maximum Bert]

yeah you did. either by the console or don't. that's a choice right there. that EXACT same choice you VR supporting people are defending Sony with "well it's ok because you don't HAVE TO BUY IT"

yeah of course i don't have to buy it. if i do want to get into VR though i need to spend at least $800 which is total bullshit and completely overpriced.

it's ok when Sony does it.

Sooo you would be alright if Sony only sold the PS4 with the VR for 800 dollars (or whatever stupid amount it would cost) but not that they give you the option? Well ok but I think most people would have had less problem with Kinnect 2 if it was optional to start with. With the WiiU its a bit different as it is at the core of the console (unlike PSVR or the Kinnect). I think the problem was people were seeing it as another gimmick (much like Kinnect 2) and were sick of those by then.

The PSVR is expensive there is no doubt about that but it is cheaper than its competitors by quite a ways. Sony have said it will not be able to match the Oculus or Vive in pure specs which tbh is a given. Whether that will matter is to early to tell. Its also a new thing that people are hopeful will be something amazing. I guarantee that if Sony announced a new motion controlled controller no one would give a crap that ship has long sailed.

I dont know why you think Sony is immune to criticism because they certainly are not and no company ever should be. It just sounds like you are unhappy because the PS4 is selling well and you think it shouldn't be or something I dunno. If Sony had announced the PSVR as the same price as the Rift or god forbid the Vive I guarantee people would have (quite rightly imo) been up in arms.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

people ***** about expensive Wii U Gamepad and Kinect even though they're included with the consoles at no extra cost

Sony announce's their gimmicky VR headset add on to be EXACTLY the same price as the PS4 console and people rejoice


it's ok when Sony does it...

The equivalent is not kinect or the wiimote,the equivalent here is the $200 more expensive Oculus. This is why ps vr is seen positively. Everyone hated psmove and sony made that too so your theory is probably wrong.

The point still kind of stands though that gamers go over the moon about Nintendo gimmicks making their console too expensive but Sony can release a similar gimmick that arguably costs more than the PS4 system itself and apparently they are selling through stocks.
At least the Oculus VR isn't beholden to any current console platform holder.
But If Microsoft and Nintendo tried to pull that shit off, boy howdy would people throw a fit.

But again it's different. Nintendo Wii was ALL motion controls, if you lacked a gamecube controller you had to use them for a while before they came out with classical controllers.


Similarly, the kinect initially wasn't as big an issue but when they tried to make x1 NEED the kinect to work that's when people got mad.

PSVR is not all thst the ps4 is, you can enjoy your ps4 while completely ignoring it and not feel like you're missing out most content out of the dislike for a gimmick. Can you say the same about the wii? Unlike the wii and unlike the initial x1 kinect idea, most ps4 games will NOT be designed around VR so people feel fine to just ignore vr and remain happy with their system, That's the nuance you have to comprehend.


Nintendo learned this so they allowd you to turn off the 3d on the 3ds and the wii u has a normal controller out of the box so both of these are now much less maligned than the original wii as proof that it is this forcing down their throat that people actually disliked rather some idiotic notion of anti nintendo bias.

 

[Ravinoff]

yeah of course i don't have to buy it. if i do want to get into VR though i need to spend at least $800 which is total bullshit and completely overpriced.

Which is still easily half of what you'd be looking at for a PC that can do VR. The Oculus starts at $500, and a suitable video card is...well, at the very least, $350-$400, but I doubt anyone laying out that kind of cash for an Oculus will settle for "functional". I'd expect to see stuff in the $600-$1000 range for VR early adopters, a GTX980Ti (or god help us all, a GTX TITAN Black). And that's assuming you've already got a cutting-edge gaming PC and don't need to build a completely new rig, which is really what would be equivalent to buying a PS4 and a PSVR unit off-the-shelf for $800.

 

[Yoshi178]

yeah of course i don't have to buy it. if i do want to get into VR though i need to spend at least $800 which is total bullshit and completely overpriced.

Which is still easily half of what you'd be looking at for a PC that can do VR.

that's a stupid rebuttal that everyone's using right now.

this gimmick is an overpriced rip off but it's ok because it's cheaper than another company's version of the same gimmick which is even more of a rip off.

 

[Ravinoff]

yeah of course i don't have to buy it. if i do want to get into VR though i need to spend at least $800 which is total bullshit and completely overpriced.

Which is still easily half of what you'd be looking at for a PC that can do VR.

that's a stupid rebuttal that everyone's using right now.

this gimmick is an overpriced rip off but it's ok because it's cheaper than another company's version of the same gimmick which is even more of a rip off.

I'm not saying I like VR, personally I think it's another gimmick just like motion controls that looks good in tech demos but will never catch on full-scale for home use. Until someone invents a holodeck, at the end of the day you're just a guy in a stupid helmet holding a controller The point is that PSVR is still the cheaper option, with the additional plug-and-play support of a console platform. What you're saying is that VR is an overpriced gimmick and therefore it shouldn't exist, what I'm trying to say is that in the world of the high-priced gimmick of VR, PSVR is a relatively affordable option.

 

[Yoshi178]

VR should exist and is fun.

it just shouldn't exist at anywhere near what they're trying to charge for it.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Interesting.

Would like to see what VR actually looks like running on PS4 hardware though. I have to imagine that it's more than a little rough around the edges.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

yeah of course i don't have to buy it. if i do want to get into VR though i need to spend at least $800 which is total bullshit and completely overpriced.

Which is still easily half of what you'd be looking at for a PC that can do VR.

that's a stupid rebuttal that everyone's using right now.

this gimmick is an overpriced rip off but it's ok because it's cheaper than another company's version of the same gimmick which is even more of a rip off.

If so, focus more on the ones behind oculus, since they're worse than sony.

Oh and the price is due to the cost of the hardware. It's expensive components.

 

[Dragonbums]

people ***** about expensive Wii U Gamepad and Kinect even though they're included with the consoles at no extra cost

Sony announce's their gimmicky VR headset add on to be EXACTLY the same price as the PS4 console and people rejoice


it's ok when Sony does it...

The equivalent is not kinect or the wiimote,the equivalent here is the $200 more expensive Oculus. This is why ps vr is seen positively. Everyone hated psmove and sony made that too so your theory is probably wrong.

The point still kind of stands though that gamers go over the moon about Nintendo gimmicks making their console too expensive but Sony can release a similar gimmick that arguably costs more than the PS4 system itself and apparently they are selling through stocks.
At least the Oculus VR isn't beholden to any current console platform holder.
But If Microsoft and Nintendo tried to pull that shit off, boy howdy would people throw a fit.

Looking around the internet there are plenty of PC fanboys (especially), Nintendo & Microsoft fanboys throwing fits and pouring their salt. Its getting more than enough hate.

Of course fanboys always perceive the things they don't like getting less hate than it really is...

Sure if you want to go the 'fanboys' route I can say that VR people are acting victimized and saying that everybody else is shitting on them. Most people being skeptic about the Sony VR isn't console fanboys. It's simply people that were skeptic about VR in the first place.
At least the Oculus is simply a one time payment and your done with it. With Sony I'm assuming your gonna need to buy their console JUST to use their VR headset.
And like I stated, watch how fast Microsoft and Nintendo would burn at the stakes if they DARED to release a peripheral that was above $100


$800 to play walking sim games, and 3D experiment projects. $800 plus the cost of the PS4 to play walking sim games and experimental 3D games.
If you want it that badly you can just invest in the regular dang thing.

 

[Dragonbums]

But again it's different. Nintendo Wii was ALL motion controls, if you lacked a gamecube controller you had to use them for a while before they came out with classical controllers.

Well hey, customers were and should of been WELL AWARE of that before they bought the console. If they didn't like that main mode of play they could of simply not bought the Wii. And even then, extra wii mote controllers were like $30-50 (if you got them refurbished they were much cheaper.)

Similarly, the kinect initially wasn't as big an issue but when they tried to make x1 NEED the kinect to work that's when people got mad.

The Xbone was also stupidly expensive. It also had much bigger issues surrounding it such as getting privacy data from you whether you like it or not and all sorts of NSA conspiracy tinfoil nonsense.

PSVR is not all thst the ps4 is, you can enjoy your ps4 while completely ignoring it and not feel like you're missing out most content out of the dislike for a gimmick. Can you say the same about the wii? Unlike the wii and unlike the initial x1 kinect idea, most ps4 games will NOT be designed around VR so people feel fine to just ignore vr and remain happy with their system, That's the nuance you have to comprehend.

Well the ultimate point is that Sony is releasing a near $800 VR peripheral that needs a PS4 to work. The companies making this game are assumingly gonna make games exclusively for this VR headset. That means, those who want to jump in with a PS4 are looking at spending the cost of a decent computer just to obtain one.
Those who have neither are looking at spending a little over $1k for it.


Again if Microsoft or Nintendo were to pull off the same shit they would get hell for that from both fans and outside commentators. Regardless of how optional it is.

Do I think the prices need to be lower? No, that's unreasonable. It's new tech after all. I do think however that Sony should of made it a computer based VR headset and probably let one of their many tech branches handle VR in this case.

that it is this forcing down their throat that people actually disliked rather some idiotic notion of anti nintendo bias.

If you didn't like motion controls than you didn't have to buy the Wii. This wasn't some thing they decided to do halfway through the console's life cycle. People acting like the Wii fucking burned their dog over some stupid waggle physics need to chill out.


Also nobody is going explicitly anti-Nintendo bias. More or less going if X company that wasn't Sony did it they would get shat on for it. This mostly pertains to Microsoft because Nintendo so far has shown zero interest in pursuing VR tech at the moment.

 

[Dragonbums]

Also, there is no way Sony is favored over Nintendo. Maybe Microsoft, but that's purely because of how pathetic the Xbone launch was. I myself have a lot of problems, their PS4 was the reason I am now looking at getting into PC gaming.

Well I'd say sales figures prove you wrong there...

The same can be said for the Wii and half the people who talk about it act like 'Waggle Physics' burned their dog, killed their spouse, and stole their social life.

And went either to PS4, Xbone or PC.

 

[Dragonbums]

Which is still easily half of what you'd be looking at for a PC that can do VR.

Not to really go after you or anything but I find it ironic that you state this.
Because every single fucking time a console player states the reason why they don't do PC is because it costs [insert price over $600] a swarm of PC elitists come in and tell how console owner doesn't know what they are talking about because you can get a souped up computer that can play AssCreed at ultra settings and 60 fps for little over the cost of $500

Now apparently a good PC costs more than a Sony VR. Which...isn't really doing VR any favors. Seeing as how VR can only play a currently limited range of games while computers can do...well practically everything.