Psychiatrist who claimed games have caused an 'increase in rapes' responds to counterpoints.

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MrGalactus

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Psychiatrist Carole Lieberman is quoted as saying that violent games have caused an "increase in rapes." Such an absurd statement demanded ridicule, but we did feel that Dr. Lieberman deserved a chance to explain herself. Perhaps she was misquoted?

Today, Dr. Lieberman issued a condescending response to "all of the reporters, editors, bloggers, gamers, and others" who contacted her regarding the quoted statement.

"When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link."

The research she "assumed we still knew about" most notably included 'Vulnerability to Violent Video Games: A Review and Integration of Personality Research,' a study published by the American Psychological Association (APA). The paper reviews past research on violent games, and concludes a link between violent games and aggressive behavior "in some individuals."

The report concedes that "a considerable number of studies have failed to find compelling links between VVGs (Violent Video Games) and aggression," but suggests that these inconsistencies may be the result of "poor research design and invalid measurements to publication biases," which seems awfully dismissive. None of these contrary studies were pointed out by Dr. Lieberman (such as the findings of the Australian government, or this study by Yale).

Even so, the APA report states that "it is clear that most children who play these games do not go on to behave in violent or murderous ways," and concludes that violent games are most likely to have an adverse effect on children who exhibit the following traits: high neuroticism (e.g., easily upset, angry, depressed, emotional, etc.), low agreeableness (e.g., little concern for others, indifferent to others feelings, cold, etc.) and low conscientiousness (e.g., break rules, don?t keep promises, act without thinking, etc.).

So, according to this research, kids who are depressed, angry, cold, and impulsive may exhibit aggression when exposed to violent media. And this conclusion supports the claim that violent games have caused an increase in rape? Did Dr. Lieberman read this? Granted, she also provided links to reports on violent pornography and an article admonishing 'RapeLay', but those articles and studies are either not expressly about videogames, or have little relevance to mainstream titles like Bulletstorm.

Most importantly, Dr. Lieberman does not defend her claim that there has been an "increase in rape." According to the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, instances of sexual violence have decreased by 60% since 1993 (the same year Doom was released, by the way). If we were, much like Fox News, in the habit of ignoring that correlation does not necessarily imply causation, we could say that violent games have caused a decrease in rape. How about that, Doc?

Her full response is below (sans attached documents):



Hi everyone,

I am sending this email to all of the reporters, editors, bloggers, gamers and others who have contacted me asking about what my opinion regarding violent video games was based upon. When I was first asked to provide studies, I did not have them on my fingertips - not because I didn't know they existed - but because I thought that everyone already knew about these studies and I had them filed away. My obligations to patients and other professional commitments have delayed my gathering these examples of such studies, and sending them to you, until now.

I have worked in the area of media violence for many years. This included testifying before Congress on the issue, doing numerous media interviews, stopping the 'Schwarzenegger rocket' that was to have had an ad for "Last Action Hero" on it, being invited to contribute an essay on video game violence to Larry King's book Beyond A Reasonable Doubt, etc. When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link.

In any case, I would appreciate your including a mention of these studies on your websites, blogs or comments, or at least including a mention of the fact that I did provide such studies to you. Thank you.

EXAMPLES OF RESEARCH LINKING VIDEO GAMES TO REAL LIFE VIOLENCE (INCLUDING RAPE)
1) AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION-Resolution on Violence in Video Games and Interactive Media



(source = Gamesradar)

What do the Escapists make of her counterpoints?
 

Trolldor

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She doesn't make any.

Firstly, she's a psychiatrist not a psychologist.

Secondly, modern psychology has as its base practice the recognition that a link between AGGRESSION and Video games has no link if we assess long term impact, let alone violent behaviour.
 

Erana

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The games people make are based on what sells, because video games are so astoundingly expensive, so who's going to point out to her that the best way of combating violent video games is to get the general public to start buying E rated games en masse?
 
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The only example she sourced was already overturned by Wiredd.

We've just got another Jack Thompson on our hands.

All of her "counterpoints" are unsubstantiated supposition without research.

Just a teensy point as well, "media violence" refers to Television, Films, Radio, Pictures and ALL forms of media - Games are a small part of that.
 

Pandaman1911

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I just think she's funny, in a "retro" way. Seeing somebody trying to demonize a well-accepted media. It's cute.
 

beniki

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Hmm.

Okay, fair enough. But it is decidedly odd that someone who has been working in the field for a number of years, and then went on to give an expert opinion for a news group would not have the relevant research on hand.

It is, of course, absurd to claim some theories are correct when the empirical evidence proves them wrong.
 

Yuno Gasai

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I find her opinion absolutely hilarious.

You can't rationalize an irrational act such as rape. Trying to pin it on gaming is just ridiculous.

It reminds me of that 'MAVAV' organisation.. (Mothers Against Videogame Addiction & Violence)
 

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Pandaman1911 said:
I just think she's funny, in a "retro" way. Seeing somebody trying to demonize a well-accepted media. It's cute.
I'm telling you right now, that Elvis boy is workin' for the devil! Our children will be corrupted any day now.
 

DevilWolf47

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She made counterpoints? It looked to me like she was about to make stupid excuses but failed at even that. Looks to me like once again Fox News based their report on the testimony of a phenomenal idiot who ignores over 90% of the factors and as a result makes completely stupid mistakes, like citing a non-existent increase in violent crimes and a study that was never done properly and that at best cites the emotionally disturbed who could easily be set off by any other stimuli.
And RapeLay? She made the accusation of Bulletstorm! I think there is a fair amount of difference between a first person shooter sold with it's over-the-top violence and a rape simulator. That's like saying an NCAA Football game is identical to Red Dead Redemption because there is a team called the cougars.
 

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Another pathetic enemy to the gaming world. Only one question remains, should we destroy her now, or laugh at her pathetic attempts to prove points that don't exist?
 

kinggamecat

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Xzi said:
She's an idiot. Why we decide to obsess over what idiots say in America instead of just dismissing them and moving on is beyond me. *COUGH* SARAH PALIN *COUGH*

How these people manage to make it into positions of power is even more puzzling.
Amen to that dood!
 

T8B95

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This lady reminds me of someone standing on a soapbox trying to take on an armoured tank division with a peashooter, yet plainly determined that they would win.

First point: what was the last game that had you explicitly, interactively, act out a rape scene (okay, maybe GTA, but those games aren't exactly good examples).

Second point: has anyone seen her most recent book? And she's trying to preach to us about acceptable behaviour?

Third point: no more points, thanks for the lack of Valentines Day threads :)

EDIT: Just thinking about this, why can't Fox News ever come up with someone who has a valid, logical opinion? I don't see them interviewing Ebert or anyone like that.
 

Seiei

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I'll respond to that the same way I'll respond to anyone who says games is the reason for violence. B-B-B-B-B-BULLSHIT!
 

SteewpidZombie

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Just tell the b***h to get back in the Mc'Donalds kitchen where she belongs.

(Not a insult on women, but rather pointing out the fact that she seems to rather suck HARSHLY at her chosen career and maybe she should stick to making me some GOD DAM food at Mc'Donalds).
 

Something Amyss

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Xzi said:
She's an idiot. Why we decide to obsess over what idiots say in America instead of just dismissing them and moving on is beyond me. *COUGH* SARAH PALIN *COUGH*

How these people manage to make it into positions of power is even more puzzling.
Not when you consider the American public. It becomes far less puzzling.
 

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THEJORRRG said:
violent games are most likely to have an adverse effect on children who exhibit the following traits: high neuroticism (e.g., easily upset, angry, depressed, emotional, etc.), low agreeableness (e.g., little concern for others, indifferent to others feelings, cold, etc.) and low conscientiousness (e.g., break rules, don?t keep promises, act without thinking, etc.).
So basically you're not supposed to play games during puberty then? I'm surprised there aren't more crazy teenage murderers walking around if that's the case.
 

Timedraven 117

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you know i am kinda pessimistic easily upset kinda depressed break rules act without thinking and have ect but im a dam teen what do you expect? i mean i dont have little concern for others when i was playing dead space i wanted to shoot so many people not because i want to but to put them out of there damn misery i just feel awful whenever i kill or see killed one of the npc's if there a ally. but what ya gonna do