Quality wars: We've lost.

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Doug

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I was listening to a Podcast today (the Gamehounds podcast) and they made the point that, sadly, all enthusiast/hardcore gamers don't matter anymore (and they are enthusiast gamers themselves, they were sad too).

Basically, it boils down to this; as gaming becomes more and more mainsteam, the percentage of the gamer market that is enthusiast drops, because the majority of the new people don't want or simply don't become enthusiast gamers. As such, we are in the minority. Basically, if you are someone who cares enough about gaming to read or post on this forum, if you care enough to read articles and reviews, to research your game buying decisions, or listen to Gaming podcasts, you are a minority (yes, including me).

This is why gaming innovation and invention has slowed down alot lately, and why shovelware is generally more profitable than quality games (Modern Warfare 2 and Halo are expections to this rule - they aren't shovelware, and have enthusiast gamer fans).

Lets compare this to the restaurant market; McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, etc, etc, all these fast food 'restaurants' make money like they are a mint. But their food is of low quality. So, why are they the top of the restaurant market?

* Advertising: They advertise virtually anywhere there are people. I can easily imagine poverty stricken Africans who've not seen food in 2 weeks being able to draw the M symbol for McDonalds.

* Ease of 'use': You don't have to book in advance to eat at McDonalds, Burger King doesn't have a dress code, and KFC doesn't require a knife and fork. These companies have made it so ANYONE can eat there; even men without hands could probably manage it (especially if they have a fork strapped to their wrists).

* A lack of caring from the majority of the target market: Most people who eat at fast food places aren't people who savour the flavours of food in general, typically aren't familar with a wide range of foods, and even if they were, would probably not care enough to go look for them.

Now, if we look again at the Gaming market, and highlight EA vs Activison. EA were the biggest bastards in the industry not long ago; they've improved somewhat, and ok they still are bastards, but are better than they were: they invest in new IPs, they try new things, and are getting better. But as a result of this, EA is taking a hammering finanically. Ok, the recession is a major factor, but the fact remains - when they were at their worst, they were making a fortune, now they aren't the worst, they are making huge loses.

Activison, on the other hand, are the current biggest bastards in the industry. They are hitching up prices, making an infinite number of sequels to Guitar Hero, and generally pumping out the same stuff over and over, jacking up the price every so often.

And yet, Activison are generally doing far, far better than EA. The problem is EA have tried to move more towards catering for us, the enthusaist market, whereas Activison have ignored us and pushed what they can get away with with the general market, and Modern Warfare 2 alone was an giant success for them.

In essence, what I'm basically saying is "Now is the time when the McDonalds, KFC, etc, of the gaming market are going to rise and take over. If we want good games, we'll have to goto the remaining small business restaurants (aka the indies), or order Chinese food (wait, what?)"
 

comadorcrack

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Yeah we are the minority. Just like Film enthusiasts who spend time reading reviews and reflecting upon the cinematography and direction are minority to those who just wanna see shit blow up...

Yet good films are still being made, And while games become a more mainstream media like film and books and the like. Good games will still be made.

The quality wars are not over, The quality wars never even began.
 

Mr.Black

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So by definition, shovelware = casual games? (Such as 50% of Wii games).

All that's happened is that big businessman have realised that video games are a huge fucking market that they want to tap. Video games are cool now.
 

dududf

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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save Us!"...:
...and I'll look down, and whisper, "No".:
Yeah, I saw this coming the second Dedi servers were taken away. It was a very noticeable sign of the days to come.

I'd give us 10 years or so until they completely give up on us, and focus on the non "hard core" gamers.

*Edit*

Just realised, that I should point out why I chose the quote..

1) I like it.
2) It describes a situation, where people who are guilty (in this case casual gamers) will look up and cry help, as the quality is degrading for them. They can only cry up to us and our "high" standards to get the industry back into pumping out something other then shovelware, but we will say No, as it's too late for us to do anything, if you want out of it you must do it your self.
 

Zenode

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Gaming has been "mainstream" for a while now

a game can be for "enthusiasts" as much as you can make it, thats why they have Xbox achievements and Playstation trophy's so this hardcore audience can try and get these achievements by getting as good as they possibly can at the game.

Sure there are more casual games but certain elements within them also make for the enthusiasts as well.
 

Mr. GameBrain

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That may be the case however:

- It is possible that the recent gaming 'boom' will disipitate, and maybe disappear, much like it did around the point in time when the er... "memorable" ET: The Videogame came out!
(Where alot of videogames and consoles were very similar, kinda like now eh? spooky...)
- If thats the case then all those who will be left will pretty much be just us
- EA will then be in a greater position than Activision, (who are only really cashing in on the casual surge), and will probably benefit in the long-term.

Don't forget most markets move about like yoyos. Mobile phones for example are doing horribly overall, but smartphones are selling great and will become the saviour of the market in a few years.


Besides EA can afford to lose a bit here and there.


THQ are worse. Most of the games they publish are absolute turds-on-sticks!
And they've been doing it through most of videogame history.
 

Aztek463

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comadorcrack said:
Yeah we are the minority. Just like Film enthusiasts who spend time reading reviews and reflecting upon the cinematography and direction are minority to those who just wanna see shit blow up...

Yet good films are still being made, And while games become a more mainstream media like film and books and the like. Good games will still be made.

The quality wars are not over, The quality wars never even began.
Agreed. I've given up on trying to show "good" films to all but two of my friends. And as more "mainstream"/"shovelware" games are being made, true, fewer "good" games will be made, but I think that will make them all that much more better...I believe Yahtzee said "Finding a gem in an ocean of shit" or something like that.
 

MetalGenocide

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Game creation is a business. And as such, it's sole purpose is to generate profit. Consumer gaming zombies are generating the most, therefore they are the main objective in sales, game design, advertisement and future policies. How cares how much a game sucks, as long as it makes money , right?
 

Kollega

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Mr.Black said:
All that's happened is that big businessman have realised that video games are a huge fucking market that they want to tap. Video games are cool now.
This. We can't really prohibit them from flooding the market with mediocrity if they want to do it THAT much. But even if most games will be cheap shovelware or humongous popcorn blockbusters, there still will be a couple of studios doing it for the art. We'll just have to be extremely picky about what we play. Face it - most people play games to unwind, not for the experience. We are, indeed, a minority, and original games will be pretty niche, percentage-wise. But they'll still be there as long as there are enthusiasts, right? Right. Because indie games are pretty cheap to make.
 

Doug

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Mr.Black said:
So by definition, shovelware = casual games? (Such as 50% of Wii games).

All that's happened is that big businessman have realised that video games are a huge fucking market that they want to tap. Video games are cool now.
Not...wholy. I guess a game which is nothing more than a minigame available on the internet for free whilst the Wii version is full price would be shovelware. I guess it depends on where you draw the line.

Nwabudike Morgan said:
There's an easy solution to this problem: stop buying shit games.
And how do you propose to stop of the horde of non-forum going, non-podcasting, non-caring people to do that? (also, love the avatar: The CEO guy from Alpha Centuari, right?)
 

GonzoGamer

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Maybe it's just because I live in NY but while fast food joints (and we have even more, like Kennedy Fried Chicken) are the most prominent, you don't have to go far to find a nice gourmet place you can even bring a date to like Fallout 3.

Just a couple of months ago I was dining at Batman Arkham Asylum and I was thinking that while we haven't seen a restaurant of the calibre of San Andreas yet this generation, when that game does hit, it will be very impressive.

There's always going to be shovelware. I suggest you rent.
 

SonicKoala

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Your restaurant analygy is a perfect example of how your assessment is inaccurate - yes, those restaurants are at the top from a commercial standpoint, but people still want to go to fancy restaurants, and there are PLENTY of those around. The same goes for video games - there are still plenty of fantastic games being released

And think about it.... the people who become game developers are people like us - people who loved games when they were young. At the same time, a lot of these people want to make QUALITY games, because they too see games as being a form of art. There are SO many of these forums about how "casual gamers are ruining gaming". Seriously, you sound like the Republicans on Fox News going on about how "Obama is ruining my country" or "America is changing, this isn't the America I grew up in", blah blah fucking blah. Gaming is FINE. Hell, I'd argue that this is one of the greatest periods for gaming, I can't remember the last time such a staggering amount of quality games were released in such a short period of time, at least not for consoles anyway.
 
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If what is happening to the Wii continues, basically its marketed to the Casual audience, then we may have a chance.

Casual gamers are fickle, and don't really care about games. There is a good chance that they will move on, leaving Nintendo in a very awkward stance. They lost the market they were catering to, and now all they have left is the hardcore market they all but abandonded. And the hardcore market will still forgive and forget.

What this could show that in the short term, making games for the "mainstream" market is profitable, but will die down. While marketing to the "enthusiast" gamers will be good in the long run.

I wouldn't be suprised if EA is waiting for Activision to collapse on itself. People will get tired of all the guitar hero games and knock offs, and people will get tired of the Call of Duty's.

EA is probably waiting for that to happen because when it does, they canrush it, fill the gap with new IP's, which people will probably buy becuase they are sick of all the same crap, and get back on top.
 

Robby Foxfur

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I kinda agree with you sadly quality will take a back seat to quanity. :( The massise with always out weigh the few *sighs*