Queries about circumcision

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

I must say, I enjoy not having shmegma... or however it's spelled.

But in all reality, I don't think circumcision does anything, and I'd rather have my foreskin taken away while I was young and couldn't remember the feeling than fucking now.

Seriously- This is a trivial argument.

That logic is pretty flawed. You are happy having part of your body cut off because you don't want to take a few seconds in the shower to wash yourself?

I don't mind it at all. It's a useless body part, much like an appendix. (Though I've never heard of foreskin exploading...)

It doesn't make me any less human to have a bit of skin cut off, and if thoust thinks it does, well you can honestly go fuck yourself.

And on another topic of how useless this argument is- The makes sex less pleasurable/ more is completely based on oppenion.
The only problem I see with it is if a child somehow dies from the procudure, and well, life sucks anyway.

 

[Rendahli]

OK, so I know that this can be a somewhat private issue (not just for me, but for many people), but I want some discussion and insight into it anyway.

I'll start off by giving some background information that may or may not be particularly relevant to the rest of my story. My parents are Muslim, and I only became a fully-fledged Atheist about four or, at the latest, five years ago. But when I was about four, I was circumcised. I think I recall my mum telling me that it wasn't necessarily to do with "our" religion, but that I'd had some kind of infection and the best thing to do was to circumcise me so it wouldn't be an obstruction anymore. However, I'm not entirely sure how true that is, and she could've just been shovelling me lies to keep me quiet, on the basis that I wouldn't remember it when I grew up.

Now, some of my friends and websites that I've visited, detailing various medical studies, have said that circumcision can reduce the sensitivity of a man's penis and, therefore, reduce sexual pleasure, with some (potentially biased) opinions dubbing it "genital mutilation" (which shocked me). Obviously, this is a concern for someone like me, a 16-year-old heterosexual boy who's looking to have sex with a potential girlfriend some time in the future, and I'd hate for one or both of us to be short-changed unfairly like that.

But other websites and studies I've looked at have said that there's no change, and/or that it can actually expose/enhance certain areas of the penis, giving the same or more sexual pleasure, and some women like it. So basically, what I'm asking here is to have some kind of definitive, unbiased verdict on the whole thing, because I don't need yet another thing to stress about (as sad as that may sound) and I'd rather it not be a problem in the future.

A few months ago I had to have a circumcision due to medical reasons. I honestly can't feel that much of a difference during sex or other related activities, if anything I would say it feels better (especially oral...). My girlfriend also says that she prefers it circumcised.

To everyone else going on about how much it hurts etc... it doesn't, the only times when it hurt were when the stitches would get caught on jeans or something. I took crappy cheap ASDA's own aspirin for two days after the operation but to be honest I don't think I even needed to do that.

Basically you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Sectan]

Why did you have to start this thread OP? They always end terribly.

Shit.

This won't end well.

Anyone who wishes to survive may join me in my bunker. I have all the hookers and Blackjack you could ever want.

I don't know who you are. If you want money I don't have any, but if you allow me into your bunker that will be the end of it. If you don't I will look for you. I will find you. And then I'll pound on the door until you let me in.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

Because children have actually died from a purely cosmetic procedure.

A little perspective.

In every single documented case I've found, it's *ALWAYS* because the procedure wasn't performed properly (at least when talking specifically about male circumcision). Improper training, cutting, utilities, etc. I have *yet* to find a documented case where everything was done by the book and a child died anyway. (And I would be very interested in reading otherwise)

We don't stop procedures based on the fact that things fuck up when you don't do them correctly. The reasoning behind that astounds me.

 

[anthony87]

Warning, this is in detail and might gross out some people. Anyhow, I'm not circumcised, but as a I grew my foreskin didn't as much, so now it only covers half of my head, when flaccid. When erect, I look circumcised, so girls usually can't tell. The front part of my head is dried up and less sensitive, at first, when I was growing, it was uncomfortable to even wear clothes, but it hardened up and got less sensitive over time. Pretty crappy, so I imagine it's like that for the whole head of circumcised people. Pretty much, I'm happy I have most of my foreskin still.

See I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. My foreskin doesn't go back over my head. Like....at all so I've been wondering to myself if I could give circumcision a looksee.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

SNIP

Basically all medical benefits can be achieved with washing. The statistic thrown around that it reduces cancer is true. But its only true because you cant get cancer on a bit of skin thats removed. To further that logic you would remove all excess skin(earlobes, most of the breast area and nipple, webs of fingers ect) to reduce cancer rates. Which is rediculous. If the arguements are so compelling for it let us get it when we are older anyway. Just dont perform cosmetic surgery on children. Its unneccessary and cant be reversed:

Two scenarios:

Have it and dont want it? - Fucked

Dont have it and want it - Always available.

Which one should be the default for CHILDREN?

Its fairly straight forward. Sure it doesnt matter THAT much. But choice is everything. Isnt it nice to let children decide if they want to -

A: clean it
B: Cut it off

With all of their body parts unneccessary or not?

I think its a sign of bad parenting to want to permenantly alter your childs appearance before they can decide for themselves. Its the same to me as tattooing my baby because not doing so "looks weird" or "its just what we do to babies". Sure its not a big deal REALLY. But its fucking weird and unneccessary and i wish people would stop unless its medically needed.

 

[Slayer_2]

See I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. My foreskin doesn't go back over my head. Like....at all so I've been wondering to myself if I could give circumcision a looksee.

Even when you're erect?! Sounds painful. Maybe a case where circumcision could be a good idea. Just make sure you have soft underpants for afterwards, first few weeks will be awkward.

 

[Rendahli]

Snip.

We don't treat infections with circumcisions anymore. That is medievil/Civil War Medical logic. That's been outdated for centuries.

We treat infections with antibiotics, which is much cheaper, and less invasive. I know this from personal experience.

Now onto pleasure. There are very few scientific studies on circumcision, and most of the studies supporting circumcision try to bullshit their way into the medical community by using samples as low as 50, and restricting themselves to one tribe in Africa.

These studies have been thrown out.
You can have this link though:

http://www.circumcision.org/studies.htm

Personally, I say you were lied to.

I suggest looking up a condition known as Balanitis xerotica obliterans which is still treated mainly by circumcision.

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

I must say, I enjoy not having shmegma... or however it's spelled.

But in all reality, I don't think circumcision does anything, and I'd rather have my foreskin taken away while I was young and couldn't remember the feeling than fucking now.

Seriously- This is a trivial argument.

That logic is pretty flawed. You are happy having part of your body cut off because you don't want to take a few seconds in the shower to wash yourself?

I don't mind it at all. It's a useless body part, much like an appendix. (Though I've never heard of foreskin exploading...)

It doesn't make me any less human to have a bit of skin cut off, and if thoust thinks it does, well you can honestly go fuck yourself.

And on another topic of how useless this argument is- The makes sex less pleasurable/ more is completely based on oppenion.
The only problem I see with it is if a child somehow dies from the procudure, and well, life sucks anyway.

I think that's pretty horrible, you are ok with risking the life of a child for the reasons of "just because" and "it saves me time washing".

Yup!
Because guess what, the amount of deaths compaired to circumscisions is very low. If the parent is educated enough about the procedure, and willing to take the risk, why not?

Listen: No one is benifiting from arguments like this. They are pointless wastes of time. It should be left to the parent- and the parent alone for something like this, until the kid becomes humanly councious.
You act as if parents shouldn't make any decisions for their children. What if a parent allows their child to ride the school bus, and it magically exploads and kills the child?

Now, I've got a terrible headache and using my brain (If you'd call it that) is only making it worse. You are entilted to your oppenion, and hell, if you feel so strongly about this, write a letter to your local representitive, tell them your concerns. Honestly, I'd leave this decision up to my spouse, because I really couldn't care less.

 

[hardlymotivated]

Speaking as somebody who was circumcised as an adult (10 weeks ago as of tomorrow, in fact, and for a medical purpose), the only real difference is that now I have to use some lube when I'm spanking one out.

As far as sensitivity goes, I haven't noticed too much of a difference, although any contact with my glans for about 4 weeks post-op felt like it had been poked with a cattle prod. Very, very sensitive. I was informed by my urologist that the change in sensitivity after an adult operation varies from person to person, from penis to penis.

See I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. My foreskin doesn't go back over my head. Like....at all so I've been wondering to myself if I could give circumcision a looksee.

Hey, mate, mine didn't retract at all either, so I know full well what that's like. If you want to talk about that, or circumcision, or anything else, feel free to send me a PM. You're never the only one!

 

[anthony87]

See I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. My foreskin doesn't go back over my head. Like....at all so I've been wondering to myself if I could give circumcision a looksee.

Even when you're erect?! Sounds painful. Maybe a case where circumcision could be a good idea. Just make sure you have soft underpants for afterwards, first few weeks will be awkward.

Nah it's not painful at all. Which is why I'm unsure about circumcision in the first place. I'm considering going to see a urologist once college is done for the summer to get a professional opinion but I'd really rather not have to get the chop.

I've not got anything against circumcision, I just dread the thoughts of those first few weeks you mentioned.

 

[Rendahli]

Snip.

We don't treat infections with circumcisions anymore. That is medievil/Civil War Medical logic. That's been outdated for centuries.

We treat infections with antibiotics, which is much cheaper, and less invasive. I know this from personal experience.

Now onto pleasure. There are very few scientific studies on circumcision, and most of the studies supporting circumcision try to bullshit their way into the medical community by using samples as low as 50, and restricting themselves to one tribe in Africa.

These studies have been thrown out.
You can have this link though:

http://www.circumcision.org/studies.htm

Personally, I say you were lied to.

I suggest looking up a condition known as Balanitis xerotica obliterans which is still treated mainly by circumcision.

That infection doesn't even have a full percent chance of happening. it has a .005% chance of happening. Its a non-issue.

If it's such a non issue how come I and from the sounds of it two other people on this very thread have suffered from it?

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

Why do a cosmetic surgery with no benefits (other than saving a minute in the shower) and put a child at risk of death?

Why perform any seemingly unnecessary medical process on a child when the risks and rewards have to be considered? Intentionally putting your kids in rooms with kids who have chicken pox so they catch it while they're young come with certain risks, but we still bloody do it! Why let an underage person, who legally can't make those kinds of decisions get an ear piercing with the consent of the parent? Suddenly that's OK?

Look, the actually trained, educated, medical professionals will sit down with parents and discuss the risks and rewards of circumcision. I have but the entire official stance of the American Medical Associations opinion on circumcision to work with, and they leave it up to the parents; seems good enough for me.

You may say it is due to malpractice but the fact remains that pointless deaths do take place. If they weren't put through it (likely without consent) those children would still be alive today.

It's really the argument itself that I find utterly ridiculous; you can't suggest ending a process when your argument rests on the notion that it fails because people do it wrong. Seriously, think about the legitimacy of that argument for a minute or two.