A beer is a addictive substance, if a child gets addicted to said substance they grow a need to have the substance. And depending on age can very badly fuck up their mind.Ultratwinkie said:Since when is beer an irreversible operation?Aprilgold said:Well, if the child goes into a bar and says "I want a beer" then he won't get it, its the same exact reason that allowing children to decide what their body is.Freechoice said:Aprilgold said:Well, if its a child, then it can't decide for itself, its not allowed.Matthew94 said:Why not respect your child and let him make that decision on his own?
So fuckin' wait. Jesus, it's not like it needs to be done immediately or his dick may or may not fall off entirely. It's cosmetic surgery done for fuck-all reasoning with tangential benefits and very real consequences.
Having your foreskin chopped off, from what I can tell, does nothing and doesn't really change what it looks like in its normal state, because in sex the foreskin is back.
Anyone who makes these comparisions are practically the same fucking nutcases who make a "case" for FGM.
If a beer is denied, they can get one later when they are older. He cant get his foreskin back when its already done. This is fact, and your argument is more retarded than the "case" made by creationists and flat earthers.
My point is that its the same train of thought, you wouldn't let your 5 year old go into a tattoo parlor to get a tattoo. So why should the child decide what body alterations he has till he isn't older. I'd like to point to who I was originally quoting said that you should let the child decide for himself or herself, but a child can not fully comprehend its actions fully yet, so it would be stupid to let them choose for themselves until they are a adult.
You wouldn't let your five year old fly your plane, so why allow them to decide if or if not they have foreskin.
I'm not saying that a child can't choose certain things for themselves because that would be a lie, but anything that has a permanent repercussion or possibility of one should be handed over to the parent.
Once again, theres no case for or against circumcision the way I see it. Why does it matter anyway, you have to pull the foreskin back to actually get any action and only you will see your penis when it isn't erected. Its so bloody subtle that it doesn't matter, honestly, I don't feel like I'm missing a appendage of my body for being circumcised since it works A-OK anyways.
So once again, why does it matter? Because its barbaric? If we honestly cared about how this is barbaric we would all stand up and realize how barbaric some of our very modern conventions are. Guns are barbaric, they are not a tool to do good, they are a tool for a person to do with what they please, and usually ends in death. War is barbaric, only existing so that one creed over another can get more land or a edge on other creeds.
Circumcision doesn't matter and just because something is barbaric doesn't mean that there aren't more noticeable things you shouldn't be mad about.
If it has no repercussions why change it? So many people on here are up-and-arms over nothing.Freechoice said:And what do we say to the child that wants a beer?Aprilgold said:Well, if the child goes into a bar and says "I want a beer" then he won't get it, its the same exact reason that allowing children to decide what their body is.Freechoice said:Aprilgold said:Well, if its a child, then it can't decide for itself, its not allowed.Matthew94 said:Why not respect your child and let him make that decision on his own?
So fuckin' wait. Jesus, it's not like it needs to be done immediately or his dick may or may not fall off entirely. It's cosmetic surgery done for fuck-all reasoning with tangential benefits and very real consequences.
Having your foreskin chopped off, from what I can tell, does nothing and doesn't really change what it looks like in its normal state, because in sex the foreskin is back.
"Wait until you're older."
You know what the irresponsible thing for the parent to do is?
Buy the beer for the kid.
And the argument that it does nothing is more reason not to do it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
As I said above, if you honestly think this is barbaric, look at War for example and then tell me that this is honestly a better thing to dislike then say that.
Once again, the dude I quoted specifically said "Let the child decide for himself" and while I understand that, I was just putting it into bad wording and taking it full on literal. A child shouldn't decide for themselves what body altercations they get because if I was a child I would like to have a body mod that changes my arms into tentacles, obviously that is stupid but children, in general, are. Lets face it man, as a child, there was always one thing you saw in a movie that you thought was cool and wanted to do it, and if you were actually allowed to do said thing then you may have suffered a serious injury or made a very bad decision.