farson135 said:
Wow, you have completely lost the plot. You said this is about wanting to hunt. I said it is not about that because many people who do hunt do it because it is necessary and not because they want to.
Actually you seem to have lost the plot a while ago. You were arguing that gun control is the reason (and the primary reason) our feral pig population is out of control.
When I claimed the lack of interest in hunting or (if it makes you feel better) "pest control" is the reason, you started going on about how people in Texas do it regardless of interest for the greater good.
That's great, good for them. That has no bearing on the argument in question though. If you want to argue that the majority of Australian people don't care enough about the problem, I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. If you want to argue that gun control is the reason for this, or that reduced gun control is the solution, then I'd be interested in how the hell you manage to justify that in your head.
That is what you are accusing me of being ignorant of? I don?t give a shit if y?all want to hunt. That was never my point to being with. For the love of Christ, y?all have let your population get out of control. I think that is a bad thing and I do not want my country to end up like that. Where in the fuck do you see me saying anything about your culture (other than y?all do not want to do it)?
Yes, that is what you have remained ignorant of.
No that was never your point, it was mine.
Again, your point was that gun control is the cause of the problem. My counter point was that hunting does exist, weapons are available and that the problem lies with a culture which for the most part is ignorant to the problem or doesn't care enough to be part of the solution, regardless of what weapons are available.
Somewhat ironic when posted directly after your little episode up there.
Giving the hunters better equipment will make it easier to kill the pigs. Sorry, but your strawmen are still strawmen.
They have equipment but the proper equipment. Bolt action rifles are not the best equipment for taking on a large herd of pigs. Sorry, that is the way it is.
I hate to do this, since you'll start claiming I'm using a slippery slope fallacy, but you know what would be even better for killing pigs?
A vehicle mounted minigun.
screw your 700 bullets per minute, try up to 6000. The best part is, we can't eat the meat, so we might as well shred it up and spray it across the landscape as much as possible.
But no. I'd rather live in a society that doesn't give the public access to weapons which are primarily intended for military use.
Second of all, as I have already explained, Texas has those same problems as well. We still overcome it.
With numbers and eagerness. Unless those problems are overcome by having a bigger gun, then your argument is irrelevant to the point your supposedly trying to make.
You've already said in this thread that these problems were overcome using equipment like sensors and organisation, we could do that here, but evidently nobody is interested in doing so. Is that a problem? Yes. Has it anything to do with gun control? Nope.
But no, all you can go on about is how we don't use the same guns you do and you cling to that idea as if it is the one and only possible truth.
Have you ever considered that you are wrong? How about we let one of your fellow Aussies explain how he prefers semis when hunting large numbers of pigs-
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Wrong about what?
I haven't said that hunting wouldn't be easier with more powerful weapons, that would be a stupid argument. I've said that the weapons we have are sufficient and that the lack of participation in pig hunting, and the lack of organised effort is the problem.
I'm sure there are people here that would much rather a gattling gun bolted onto their ute for hunting, but:
a) that doesn't mean it should be legal
and
b) its not gonna change the fact that it would be a handful of people over ridiculously immense, remote and often rugged/overgrown conditions.
That is the first time anyone has ever called me an elitist.
Obviously you mustn't make a habit of telling people what their country does that makes it inferior to yours. Telling them their standards are too low and that you don't want your country to end up like theirs. And generally making out as if your extensive knowledge of your own country gives you a clear and indisputable insight into how to fix other's.
That's good, such things are generally frowned upon.
So, the fact that your country has a single problem means that your country (in its totality) is worse than my own? And you accuse me of leaps in logic. Does that mean that when I accuse the US of having shitty immigration laws I am calling the US a shithole?
Your statement that you don't want to "live down to [our] expectations" was clearly inflammatory. As is your repeated "argument" claiming we have "fucked up [our] country".
If such comments are the result of being passionate about the subject (as you seem to be) then you need to
If thats not the reason then you're either not very good at posting in a non-provactive manner, or are intentionally trying to incite anger, in which case, well done, though I doubt its achieved the explosive effect trolls generally look for.
Actually I am saying that the use of tactics and the use of proper equipment would solve your problem. Pigs are still a problem in Texas, just not in my area anymore.
That is not what you started off saying at all. Your exact words were:
"How about because we do not want to end up like Australia?"
In a thread about gun control.
I believe, with the weapons currently available, with greater organisation and equipment (not including firearms) and with more people involved, we could achieve the desired results. None of this requires us to lighten our restriction on firearms, and as such we have to deal with less of the crap that spawned this thread, namely mass numbers of casualties due to easy access to weapons that can kill/injure 700 people in a minute.*
*assuming they all stood in a line with just the right amount of overlap and the gunman had practiced a few times. Yes its hyperbole but it gets the point across.
You want to live in a country where your animals are out of control. I do not give a fuck. I do not care. However that does not mean I want to jump in with you.
If I do not like an element of your country that does not mean your country is a shithole. I hate German police but that is not going to stop me from going back. So calm the fuck down and stop being so thin skinned.
I'd take your own advice if I were y'all.
