Question on PC and Console Games

[UnderCoverGuest]

I'm going to try to use a language example here.
PC Games on PC speak the same language. Xbox Games on Xbox speak their own language. When you give an Xbox Game to a PC, they don't know what the other is saying.

Emulators are translators, they know what the Xbox Game is saying, and convince the XBox that it's talking to another Xbox, while secretly translating for the PC. But this takes a lot of energy and effort, and it's almost impossible to find a translator--and even once you've found one, they'll usually mix up some words here and there.

As far as technology is concerned, your friend is right. PC's are the fundamental basis for technological advances. It's where the programming is made after all, and is most capable of rendering whatever is designed on it. Consoles are limited, they do not upgrade. Some consoles lately have been around for five years. My computer, once able to run Crysis in late 2007, is still able to run games made today, in 2013. This just shows that the technological advances have been very minor, but in some cases they have even stepped back: Crysis (November 2007) had a superb physics engine--Far Cry 3 (December 2012), a spiritual successor, has no such engine, and has instead resulted towards less expensive ways of mimicking physics.

I'm all about advancement, and I have the time and money to invest in a gaming PC. I will always be biased against consoles, not simply because they're "casual", but because my experience with PC games has been more immersive, more customizable, more advanced, and has provided infinitely more freedom than anything on a gaming console can offer.

As far as just putting in an Xbox 360 game into his computer however, he's speaking from the realm of fantasy on that one. For now at least, though personally I can't wait to get my hands on one of the newer Smackdown Vs Raw games and emulate it on PC, that'd be awesome. Stuck playing the PS2 versions right now--fun, but lacking more updated graphics.

 

[dfphetteplace]

Emulation? Not that easy. PS3 and 360 games are not yet able to be emulated. But, there is no reason there is any game that cannot be ported to a PC.

 

[loc978]

As many have said, technically possible, but extremely difficult. Still waiting to be able to emulate a PS3 so I can play Red Dead Redemption with a fuckin' mouse. The Last of Us is now on the same list. I imagine I'll have the piracy brigade breathing down my neck despite owning the games and the console they're meant to be played on. I just find that thumbsticks and crosshairs don't mix.

It's only a matter of time before someone cracks it. If only it were as easy as the original Xbox was... but that thing was running Windows CE, Sony's OSes are a bit more alien to PC architecture.

Hopefully next gen we won't have these problems, since everyone's running on x86 hardware. Hopefully Sony has a similar rig to Microsoft's demo PC... and the software is... available... at some point.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Your friend may be correct but there's no reason PC should have everything and consoles get shit all.

I can never make sense of the people who claim Console manufacturers are "holding games hostage", especially when those games are owned by the manufacturers themselves and their own reason to sell you their console and games.

 

[GoaThief]

Your friend may be correct but there's no reason PC should have everything and consoles get t all.

He's not, at least according to the first post. However, the OP has since said some conflicting things about his friend so I think some clarfication is in order before commenting much further.

Home emulation, or at least the kind I think we are talking about (something you download from the net on to your home PC) is currently impossible with PS3 games and not really viable with the 360. Professional development emulation (which would be disingenuous to call it that as it's slightly different being tied to builds and compiling different code languages) is of course possible but largely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Probably best to just ignore that whole can of worms well out of this topic.

 

[TheScottishMexican42]

Your friend may be correct but there's no reason PC should have everything and consoles get t all.

He's not, at least according to the first post. However, the OP has since said some conflicting things about his friend so I think some clarfication is in order before commenting much further.

Home emulation, or at least the kind I think we are talking about (something you download from the net on to your home PC) is currently impossible with PS3 games and not really viable with the 360. Professional development emulation (which would be disingenuous to call it that as it's slightly different being tied to builds and compiling different code languages) is of course possible but largely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Probably best to just ignore that whole can of worms well out of this topic.

I apologize. One of my worst traits is that I'm crap at explaining stuff.
My friend, to be exact, claims both. He said that it would be easy to play Xbox 360/PS3 games on a PC, and he means it in terms of emulating the system and porting the game itself.
I suppose he's half right if what this thread is to be believed. The general consensus says that emulation isn't very possible, but porting is, though it would take some time.
For the record, my friend is a nice guy, he's just VERY opinionated.

 

[Chaud]

My friend who I can only describe as a 'PC elitist' is claiming that any game on a console, that includes exclusives on the Xbox 360 and PS3, can be played on a PC. He claims that it's as simple as putting the game in and messing with some software. This is his arguments against consoles, which he claims as "scum".

Is he talking crap, or is there some kind of truth?

No, he is 100% right. Any video game available in the market can be played on a decently build gaming PC right now. There is actually proof that even the Xbox One video games were ran on win 7, the only question is if it was on custom drivers or not as you can see here:

- http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=16181

- http://wololo.net/2013/06/17/xbox-ones-e3-demos-werent-run-on-the-xbox-one-or-were-they/

Now here's the thing, he is right, totally, however it doesn't mean he can run them. Because the console companies, though they could release an emulator or a devkit to run their games in PCs, won't do it.

What he is saying is akin to "Any guy with basic chemical education can mix the ingredients to duplicate perfectly a Coca Cola"... ignoring the fact that the difficult thing is not mixing but knowing them. So, it is as simple as "putting the game in and messing with some software", as long as you are a computer science god, software architect maestro and a retro engineering genius, have the console and time to work on it.

What he can do however with current public emulation is run up to the PS2 era games pretty much flawlessly.

PD. It is interesting how many people here seem to think there's a technical impossibility with this task, when it's mostly just a reverse engineer and optimization problem, though a very complex one.

I will quote this post because this is exactly what I think you friend tried to say. Yes, current-gen games are MADE on PCs and they do RUN on PCs. So, technically, it's true. But since neither Microsoft, nor Sony or Nintendo will *ever* release the devkits used to do so, we have to use emulators if we want to play these games on PCs. And the thing is, emulators need a LOT of power to do the same processing that the original machine would do with half of it, or even less.

So, yeah. Theoretically you could play any PS3/360 game on a middle-spec PC, but in pratice, that just doesn't work that way, ever.

 

[Tanakh]

I apologize. One of my worst traits is that I'm crap at explaining stuff.
My friend, to be exact, claims both. He said that it would be easy to play Xbox 360/PS3 games on a PC, and he means it in terms of emulating the system and porting the game itself.
I suppose he's half right if what this thread is to be believed. The general consensus says that emulation isn't very possible, but porting is, though it would take some time.
For the record, my friend is a nice guy, he's just VERY opinionated.

Quiza ayude hablar en español.

Posible en qué sentido? Es enteramente posible física y tecnológicamente, bastaría con que Sony, MS y Nintendo hicieran público su firmware no compilado y aceptaran fuera legal modificarlo.

Finalmente es afortunado que no necesites creerme, basta con seguir los links a las fuentes que te postee. Ahi veras que lo que tu amigo dice no solo "podria suceder" sino que YA SUCEDIO en el E3 este año, y ha sucedido con todas las consolas, SIEMRPRE, mediante devkits. El no esta mitad correcto, sino 100%. En lo unico en lo que se equivocaria seria en decir que el puede facilmente correr un juego de esta generacion de consolas en su pc con los emuladores actuales, pero no veo que haya dicho eso.

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OMGOMGOMGOMG! A subscriber for 2 years with 2 posts chose to quote me?!?!? Blushed.