Question (sorta about piracy)
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Contradictions:Satsuki666 said:
- You are allowed to have a backup but you must make it yourself
- You can't make it yourself without cracking the DRM which is illegal
- You can't download it because you didn't back it up yourself and because the DRM is cracked
- If the DRM weren't cracked your backup wouldn't function and would be useless
Until the lawmakers can get their shit together and figure out what consumers are allowed to do, there will be no answers and the best people can do is keep guessing. Download away OP.
That's actually a pretty important question.Mahha said:
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As it stands today, when you're buying a game, you're buying a license to play it. Not the game itself.
The game disc you get is simply a convenient way for you to install your licensed product.
Or at least that's how the publishers seem to think it works.
However, if such is the case, even if you lose or break your physical copy, you would still be in possession of the license, meaning that you'd be well within your rights to re-obtain the installation files.
Now, the specifics of the law means that this is sadly not possible at all, but there are some major issues within that question.
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As for a question of my own, related to piracy but not to video games:
Where I live, it doesn't actually matter what video files you have. What matters is how you obtained it.
To give an example, I can go onto my cable TV on my PC and record a movie being showed, lets say "300", and I could keep it and watch it as many times as I wanted.
However, if I forgot to schedule my TV-software to record it, and would like to watch it, I cannot download it from a Torrent site, even though the digital video file might be entirely identical.
Just one example of how messed up the laws surrounding this subject are.
Yeah well you're right about these laws being different in every country... I only know about Slovenia where it's actually not piracy if you download a game/film/program without the intent of selling it.
These backups are a god-damn mess too - most games don't work if you do a direct copy anyway so you have to crack it one way or the other which makes it illegal again.
Well it would seem that the system is a little flawed.
These backups are a god-damn mess too - most games don't work if you do a direct copy anyway so you have to crack it one way or the other which makes it illegal again.
Well it would seem that the system is a little flawed.
This is brilliant and so true. Not that I am condoning piracy mods, so please back off the ban hammer.Mahha said:Yeah well you're right about these laws being different in every country... I only know about Slovenia where it's actually not piracy if you download a game/film/program without the intent of selling it.
These backups are a god-damn mess too - most games don't work if you do a direct copy anyway so you have to crack it one way or the other which makes it illegal again.
Well it would seem that the system is a little flawed.
It's just that this image demonstrates how pirates end up with the superior version. It's sad really.
I believe it is. It's like saying, "Well, I bought [insert game name here], but I don't have it with me here. I'll just take this copy without paying for it, and play with it until I get my bought copy."
Your still getting a game that you didn't pay for, and using the excuse that you do not have it with you won't cut it. Let it be a lesson to pack a little more carefully next time.
Your still getting a game that you didn't pay for, and using the excuse that you do not have it with you won't cut it. Let it be a lesson to pack a little more carefully next time.
That would be right in conventional logic... like for example if you bought a pair of snickers or something like that. Because you would be just buying an object so you would just own one object. But if you buy a game you don't buy just an object, you buy a licence to play... so wouldn't it ok if you installed the game from another source and just used the serial you got with the game?
It's not like every game disk is special, the only thing that separates it from all other copies it the serial.
It's not like every game disk is special, the only thing that separates it from all other copies it the serial.
Ok, then explain it to us. Say we want to backup Fallout 3 GOTY (which uses Securom) and use that backup instead of the real DVD which we own but keep in the case for protection.Satsuki666 said:
Step by step now, leave nothing out.
Robert B. Parker once wrote that "There's legal, and there's right." You just have to trust yourself, and if you yourself feel that it's wrong, it prolly is. So if you feel like you should be able to keep a copy when you bought the game, then by all means do it.
Well yeah, it's undoubtedly piracy, since you're downloading an illegally uploaded copy, hence creating a copy of illegal data.
It doesn't exactly clash with the purpose of the law - to secure a reasonable return on digital products - though, since you've already paid once. So not really unethical in itself. But it's still in violation of the law, and the social contract you've entered into is to abide by the law. Certainly when you could've just brought the game with you in the first place. On the other hand, everyone and their dog have crossed a road for red light, late at night when there weren't a car in sight for miles. This particular instance seem to be on about the same level as that. Just don't expect mercy from the courts should whomever holds the rights pursue the matter.
It doesn't exactly clash with the purpose of the law - to secure a reasonable return on digital products - though, since you've already paid once. So not really unethical in itself. But it's still in violation of the law, and the social contract you've entered into is to abide by the law. Certainly when you could've just brought the game with you in the first place. On the other hand, everyone and their dog have crossed a road for red light, late at night when there weren't a car in sight for miles. This particular instance seem to be on about the same level as that. Just don't expect mercy from the courts should whomever holds the rights pursue the matter.
Yes, it is. No, don't do it. It's illegal, and there really is no good reason for you to break the law just to play a video game. You're not Jean Valjean who needs to feed his family, you're bored and seeking stimulation. Go for a run or something. Video games are fun, but in my humble opinion not worth it.
