Quick question, is this stealing?
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Since this has never to my knowledge been taken to a formal court to hear whether or not locked content on a disk that you have already bought is still the property of the company that sold the disk in the first place I'd say no. It is not theft.
From a corporate standpoint, it is.
Putting DLC on the same disk that game comes in is not DLC. Not really. It's a part of the finished game that they have excised from the whole, locked down, and forced the consumer to buy again. DLC was originally intended to replace expansions, or at least make them more accessible to gamers across all platforms. In the end a relatively benign idea became a method by which companies could increase their profit margins by nickel-and-diming the consumer. DLC is a great after-market idea that has been corrupted into game-partitioning which only serves to make games far more expensive and include less content.
From a corporate standpoint, it is.
Putting DLC on the same disk that game comes in is not DLC. Not really. It's a part of the finished game that they have excised from the whole, locked down, and forced the consumer to buy again. DLC was originally intended to replace expansions, or at least make them more accessible to gamers across all platforms. In the end a relatively benign idea became a method by which companies could increase their profit margins by nickel-and-diming the consumer. DLC is a great after-market idea that has been corrupted into game-partitioning which only serves to make games far more expensive and include less content.
No, it's not. If they hadn't put it on the disc in the first place, i'd say yes. It's like picking a lock to a room in a house you own because the previous owner refused to give you the key to it. you already own the house (CD) Therefore everything in it (on it) is yours.
This^ it's even legal to back up your dvd's and crack your games to run without media in the drive etc. I have close to 2TB of dvd's on my server that I have ripped from my original purchased dvd's simply to back them up. Some of the dvd's are over 5 years old and starting to fade.razer17 said:
YES, it is stealing. They've given you exactly what they promised; one copy of Alice in Wonderland. Just because they stuck the DLC on your disc does not mean you are automatically allowed to have it. That would be like me insisting that I shouldn't have to pay to view porn films in a hotel room, simply by virtue of the tv already being there in my room. functionally, there is no difference to unlocking a DLC on a disc or downloading it after purchase. You still have to buy what is essentially an added extra, either way.
This issue reminds me of the people who ask for the "dirty ice" when they buy a cocktail. They reason that because they paid for it, they should receive the excess drink from the shaker that won't get poured into their glass. But the thing is they didn't pay for it; They payed for exactly one glass of cocktail. You aren't entitled to extras, just because they are there.
This issue reminds me of the people who ask for the "dirty ice" when they buy a cocktail. They reason that because they paid for it, they should receive the excess drink from the shaker that won't get poured into their glass. But the thing is they didn't pay for it; They payed for exactly one glass of cocktail. You aren't entitled to extras, just because they are there.
Actually no you're not stealing, nothing was taken from EA and they have nothing to 'miss'. However I do feel like you're sticking it to them for having poor DLC choices.
I pirated Farcry 2, while I actually own the game, to avoid the stupid fucking DRM they put on the game. So I have it, serial number and all(came with my Video Card ages ago no less), I instead use my copy how backwards is that??
I pirated Farcry 2, while I actually own the game, to avoid the stupid fucking DRM they put on the game. So I have it, serial number and all(came with my Video Card ages ago no less), I instead use my copy how backwards is that??
You like it the most because it supports your point.AngelicSven said:
OT: I doubt it can be considered as stealing if the content is on the disc. But possibly it can be considered as misshandling of purchased material if they have such odd TOS as Sony with PS3.
You are essentially making their software do something they don't want you to do.
All you have done is take money from a developer, so they have less money: to fund future projects, pay their staff bonuses and improve their financial standing so they can convince the shareholders that taking creative risks wouldn't affect their investment.
Yes it is sealing.
You purchased a copy of the game. Not the game and the DLC.
As was previously stated, you don't own all the data on the disk. While it might be there, you haven't paid for the right to access it.
What you have essentially done is gone to a kids lemonade stand, paid them a quarter for a glass and taken the whole pitcher.
Yes it is sealing.
You purchased a copy of the game. Not the game and the DLC.
As was previously stated, you don't own all the data on the disk. While it might be there, you haven't paid for the right to access it.
What you have essentially done is gone to a kids lemonade stand, paid them a quarter for a glass and taken the whole pitcher.
No, because the nuts are part of what makes a snickers a snickers. A DLC is an added extra. If a store let you buy a game, but then refused to put in a graphics engine or sound, then that would be analogous to a nutless snicker's bar. A better analogy would be buying some groceries, and then expecting to be allowed to take home the metal grocery basket as well, seeing as how it was already in your hand when you bought the goods.Sammaul said:
You payed for the goods, not the basket as well. Just because you have it in your hand does not mean you are freely entitled to it.
Errr, what DRM? I own Far Cry 2 on steam and have not encountered any such security measure.Snotnarok said:
Anyway, yes, he did take away from EA. He took a DLC that he should have otherwise paid them for. Whether or not he would have paid the price is irrelevant: he took what was theirs without any formal transfer of ownership.
But you didn't buy a disc, you bought a game. You formally made an agreement stating that you had the right to play the game on the CD. That does not mean you can have a free reign over everything on the disk that the game came on. The disk is merely a means of conveying your product to you, so whilst the disk will remain in your posession for practicality sake, you do not officially own everything but the game.fenrizz said:
problem though > intention goes out the window as soon as you sell something if a sell you a shoe and you like to use it as a hammer it bloody well is a hammer. if if you put a nice little eula piece of whatever with it its on the disk, you bought the disk, thus, not stealing. legally it IS correct. ethically, is another thing. then again, ehtically dlc on disk is retarded. and also incorrect. so hey it evens out.Zachary Amaranth said:
Legaly, yes. Do I think it should be? No. Why the hell did they put it on the disk if they didn't want people to do this?
You're not stealing anything at all. It's not "theft" in any way, shape or form. Are you removing something from someone that they own to make it your own? No? Then it's not theft in my opinion.
And if it's on the disk, go ahead.
And if it's on the disk, go ahead.
