Racism in Skyrim?

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imnot

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Word of advice.
Dont go to windhelm, the dark elves have to live in a alley, the argonians live in a bunkhouse outside the city, its led by Ulfric who hates anyone who isnt a nord and most the peopel there do too!
 

Tigurus

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I believe Morrowind had it a bit worse. With racism, slavery etc.
Fun times. But hey! It's war and society! WhoO
 

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Oscar Ben Newton said:
I have been to an Orc stronghold and things got a little bit dirty, they really are very rasist and speciasist, but like I said earlier I dont mind the large groups hating on eachother. Its when it comes to opressing a minority that it gets to me.
Wait what? If anyone is a minority it's the Orcs. They are a small nation that's constantly being invaded and sacked. Besides speciesism has always been a big part of the elder scrolls since each species has their own province they usually want to keep outsiders, well, outside.

Tigurus said:
I believe Morrowind had it a bit worse. With racism, slavery etc.
Fun times. But hey! It's war and society! WhoO
Of course a N'wah would say that, the Dunmer just want to be left alone you S'wit.
 

Valthonis666

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Think of it like this:

Nords, the predominant race within Skyrim, is happy, fine and dandy until the Empire outlaws Talos Worship. This causes them to think about EVERYTHING. To them, they see the Empire's actions as using Skyrim as a sort of Refugee Camp for the Dunmer, whom have had to basically evac their home because of something, i forgot what. This is basically forcing a brand new race to take refuge in a place that was originally 95% Nord, 95% Frostbite Spider, 2% wolf, 2% troll and bear, and 1% everything else. Thats like USA in the current state of affairs. the people from the Latin countries are rushing to America, trying to find solace and jobs, strangling us of our own in our own home [which we took in the first place. BUT THAT ISNT THE POINT! so don't bring it up!]. Its forcing us to rapidly change our ways, how we act, how we speak, how we so much as think, so that we can accomodate these new people, whether they are here rightfully or not. [which, i believe, is what happens to your character in the beginning. Trying to Border Hop or some snot *shrug* REGARDLESS!]

Basically, there is going to be a SHITTON of racism within Skyrim. [besides, the Whiterun-Redguard incident isn't about race, its about the A'likr causing trouble trying to find their target.]

AAAAANNNNNNDDDD the only race that the Nords are pretty much opening hating on is Dark Elves, whom are flocking to Skyrim and any open Province like hungry wolves on a wounded elk.

The fuckin weird part is.... I've never encountered any open hostilities by the Stormcloaks to me on either my Argonian, or my Dark Elf. They seem pretty nice and normal around me o_O. Theough every time i see Rolff and he even so much as speaks i beat the shit outta that racist prick xD
 

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Sorry, no offense but I detect some hiliarious bias here...
RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
That squatter camp is a roving band of Khajit merchants. Its the caravan and they sell some useful stuff from time to time. They don't raise children on the caravan because it is too dangerous.
They sell unrefined drugs like Moon Sugar to anyone who cares, quite clearly they are not welcomed to establish a Skooma Drug Cartell inside a Nord city. I remember a Kajit lass who blantaly told me she has
"legal disputes in both Elsweyr and Cyrodil"
Local Townguard Alistair disapproves -15

Anyway Barbaric Nords all have some serious drinking issues already (among other failures) a Moon Sugar trader would make things much much worse.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
The redguard they are kicking out tried to kidnap a girl(investigate the quest) and were disturbing the peace. They were special operations troopers from Hammerfell.
Or they were just a police force with an arrest warrant trying to capture a known female terrorist who sold out an entire city full of lovely buxoms Redguards to the Nazi-THALMORs!!!
She probably commited High Treason and fled to Skyrim. Do you believe them titties or them guys?

RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
As for nord power yeah its more of a national pride thing than a superiority thing. While some of ulfrics cannnon fodder think nords are superior to all things you forget what they hate the most.
What's different between national pride and racist's superiority, especially in a game where each country consists of a very different race with distinctive features. In this peciuliar case its the same.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
The high elves that think they are so superior that humans and other mortals need wiped out. The one that want the civil war dragged out as long as possible to maximize human casualties and increase the odds of destroying them utterly and completely.
They are the secondary antagonist of this game. The Nazi-Sidekick-Villain of the Spy movie. Once you had a good look at those Nords in Windhelm you can't really blame them, still they are Nazis and their heads look nice on a pike.



RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
Fucks sake visit an Orc stronghold. They hate everyone.
Really? It was one of the few places where I thought you were measured by your prowess in battle rather than you skin color. Probably suceeded some Speech checks there, please specify.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
Thalmor patrols want to kidnap you and torture you so you will confess to something you did not do; they hate humans as an inferior species THAT FUCKING MUCH!
As I said before, while they are most likely an intriguing antagonist I can't really blame them, I would be the same after one week together with the Stormcloaks.
 

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You must be new to TES games. The Redguards were the ones harassing, not the other way around. Since Whiterun was on lockdown, they were clearly going against the law. And the Khajiit outside were a merchant caravan, not being oppressed at all. If you want racism, head to Windhelm.
 

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Tigurus said:
I believe Morrowind had it a bit worse. With racism, slavery etc.
Fun times. But hey! It's war and society! WhoO
That is true, I cant remember a single time in Morrowind where I saw a Khajiit or Argonian that wasnt a slave. Why are those two groups hated so badly by the other groups?
 

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Wow.. I guess not too many play as Redguard eh? Always fun having a general good store clerk outside of Dragonreach offering to buy one of my relatives.
 

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Oscar Ben Newton said:
Tigurus said:
I believe Morrowind had it a bit worse. With racism, slavery etc.
Fun times. But hey! It's war and society! WhoO
That is true, I cant remember a single time in Morrowind where I saw a Khajiit or Argonian that wasnt a slave. Why are those two groups hated so badly by the other groups?
They're the 'beast races', and have always been seen as primitives by the elves, who occupied Tamriel long before the human races showed up.
 

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griffinith said:
Wow.. I guess not too many play as Redguard eh? Always fun having a general good store clerk outside of Dragonreach offering to buy one of my relatives.
he does that to everyone >.> Its also a joke. Its a play on the current day's salesmen claiming they can buy anything cheap and sell it for a massive profit
 

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I'm not really sure what the point of this is... because we need to turn to Skyrim to see shocking examples of racism and prejudice?

While playing as an Argonian, at least one shop keeper will jokingly (or is he) offer to buy members of your family.
 

Oscar Ben Newton

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Aethren said:
Oscar Ben Newton said:
Tigurus said:
I believe Morrowind had it a bit worse. With racism, slavery etc.
Fun times. But hey! It's war and society! WhoO
That is true, I cant remember a single time in Morrowind where I saw a Khajiit or Argonian that wasnt a slave. Why are those two groups hated so badly by the other groups?
They're the 'beast races', and have always been seen as primitives by the elves, who occupied Tamriel long before the human races showed up.
So the reason for all the hate against the Khajiit and Argonians is exactly like what happened in South Africa, or well any country that was colonised by a colonial power. The Colomial power comes into a country that is not theirs and stomps on the natives?
 

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Yep, racism abounds in Skyrim, damned Nords think they can push me around.... I am Breton and proud, and I would sooner fight 10 Draugr Deathlords without being able to Fus Ro Dah them off a cliff then leave Skyrim because some pansy with braids in his hair and an over-compensatory axe told me to.
 

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There's racism in the entire series, and it's awesome. It adds tension to events and when you overcome said racist it makes it feel more triumphant.
 

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jthwilliams said:
well you might argue that it is speciesism rather than racism as I don't think the human's and the mer can inner-breed. Also the nords only seem to really dislike emperials because emperials abuse the nords. They don't seem to be very any redgaurd for example.

But I'm just being pedantic. Yes, there is a very strong "Skyrim for the Nords" theme.

They actually can, the child will take on the race of the mother. There was an in-game book talking about it. Not many will admit to having a father of a different race though, because it is a taboo thing. The book even touched on something like Imperial and Kahjiit pairings, and that it was apparently possible, but no records exist because of the racism against the beast races.
 

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jthwilliams said:
well you might argue that it is speciesism rather than racism as I don't think the human's and the mer can inner-breed. (snip)
For an interesting read on the interbreeding issue, find the book "On Racial Phylogeny" (in game, that is. It's even a Restoration skillbook, so worth looking up for that too). For one thing it explores the origin of the humanoid "races" of Tamriel a bit, but it's also written in the style of a scientist who thinks he's above petty discrimination but can't help being just as racist an ass as the rest of his civilization! :p That's what I love about the Elder Scrolls games: sometimes (I stress, not always), the designers bother to make characters, locations or even books make sense within the world they've created - even if they make sense by being anywhere between mild douchebags and genocide advocates.

In addition, as a student of modern biology, I got a little kick out of reading about this Imperial scholar's ... less-than-rigorous research methods. Teehee, being a science nerd is fun sometimes!

pffh said:
Oscar Ben Newton said:
(snip)

Of course a N'wah would say that, the Dunmer just want to be left alone you S'wit.
Maath serah, traveller.
 

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jthwilliams said:
well you might argue that it is speciesism rather than racism as I don't think the human's and the mer can inner-breed. Also the nords only seem to really dislike emperials because emperials abuse the nords. They don't seem to be very any redgaurd for example.

But I'm just being pedantic. Yes, there is a very strong "Skyrim for the Nords" theme.
The Bretons were supposed to be the offspring of Wood Elves and either humans and Imperials, or something right? Which accounts for their enhanced lifespan. (Case in point a certain Breton character you meet looks young and blonde but is in her late fifties)
 

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Outcast107 said:
Irridium said:
Of course. It's everywhere.

It's happening because there's a rebellion going on between the Empire and the Stormcloaks. Stormcloaks want all non-nord occupants out of Skyrim. Empire wants to keep things the way they are. Makes sense in-universe. And it's pretty much why I didn't join the Stormcloaks.

Though I agree it's not too subtle, but then again considering Nord culture, subtlety wouldn't be one of their strong suits.

Go to Windhelm. Plenty of racism there.

And the guy talks about your "norse power" no matter what race you are. Just replace "Norse" with "Imperial", "Orc", "Argonian", and so on and you get the idea. Supposed to make you feel good about choosing your class.
I just ant to say, Whiterun is neutral and not part of the StormCloaks. Though they are more for the Imperial side so..go figure. Both sides are racist.
Yeah both sides are somewhat racist, Stormcloaks more so. The problem with the Imperials is that they are being treated like the Thalmor's *****. It's why I've been unable to pick a side yet and I'm level 35, neither of these groups deserve to run Skyrim.