Rampant nerd fanboyism you want to beat with a stick.

[DavidBowieNoReally]

Yeah, I got nothing against it when nerds go gaga over some movie/comic/video game or of its characters. But sometimes, it goes too far.

You're clusterfucked with it on every direction, and the fans keep pouring in... not STFU and giving it a moments rest.

It can even go so far that you'd have an entire generation that grows up infatuated with a character that it gets the attention of the creator or creative team, and makes them shifts gears to where a lot more attention is focused on that one character in the sequels or - for the matter I'm thinking about - prequels.

Yeah, I'm talking about Boba Fett. Originally, he was suppose to have died in the Sarrlak pit. Originally, he was suppose to be a bit of a bumbling idiot (obvious in RoJ - obvious). But 10 billion screaming fans made the SW EU writing team bring him back. Now, that's cool. But then they brought him back in the prequels, and it was his father, and the entire clone wars was about this one guy and the a billion of his clones, and...

-_-

You know what, Boba Fett wasn't that interesting. He was cool... but, this was just going too far... you know?

It gets to a point where the fanboys gooshes so much over one damn thing that eventually, the stuff that people come up with next doesn't even make a lick of sense... and you can only explain it as fan service:

I mean... wtf? I'm not saying the dude can't be a gun totting badass. But a lightsaber? He's not a Jedi... stop it already!
Stop!
STOP!

Anyways, I don't want to just talk about that character there. So what examples have you seen that pretty much fit this... fanboyism going so far as to have an effect like this... or simply just pissing you off.

 

[Gatx]

^^ Same ^^ but also with Darth Maul. He had zero character but the fact that he had a double bladed lightsaber ingrained him into the minds of fans as being badass.

In general I just dislike side characters that get more focus than the main characters of any story, like Jack Sparrow from PotC and Kamina from Gurren Lagann (not within the show mind you, he was smartly used in a very effective manner, but fans latch onto him like there's no tomorrow).

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

 

[Legion]

Fanboys and girls don't bother me in the slightest. They have a positive emotion about something that they enjoy. If they like it so much they want to share it with other people, I am not going to be bothered about that.

People who mock others for not liking the same thing, or criticise other things for "not being as good" are not being "fanboys/girls", they are just being tools. It's possible to be an extreme fan of something without being an idiot about it. They are not synonymous.

"Haters" on the other hand, are something that piss me off, because they are the kind of person who just go out of their way to make other people unhappy. If somebody doesn't like something, that's entirely their business, but when you get people who go into a thread called "What is your favourite character in [insert series here]?" and you get somebody who goes into that discussion purely to say something like "None, [insert series here sucks]", that's the kind of person who deserves to be beaten with a stick.

My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

Well it'd help if you didn't watch a couple and dismiss the entire medium.

Why do I assume this?

- The art isn't good.
- The high pitched whiny emo characters.
- The story lines are crap.

I think pretty much anybody who watches anime could think of at least half a dozen shows where this is true. Easily, as there is a lot of crap out there. But to dismiss all of it on these three things? That's just ridiculous. It's like dismissing an entire genre of music because the examples of them in the charts suck.

I didn't like it at first either, because my experience with it was things such as Yu-Gi-Oh! and other such shows aimed at children, but there are plenty of shows that are nothing like that.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Fanboys and girls don't bother me in the slightest. They have a positive emotion about something that they enjoy. If they like it so much they want to share it with other people, I am not going to be bothered about that.

People who mock people for not liking something, or hate on other things because it isn't the thing they like are not being "fanboys/girls", they are just being tools. It's possible to be an extreme fan of something without being an idiot about it. They are not synonymous.

"Haters" on the other hand, are something that piss me off, because they are the kind of person who just go out of their way to make other people unhappy. If somebody doesn't like something, that's entirely their business, but when you get people who go into a thread called "What is your favourite character in [insert series here]?" and you get somebody who goes into that discussion purely to say something like "None, [insert series here sucks]", that's the kind of person who deserves to be beaten with a stick.

My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

Well it'd help if you didn't watch a couple and dismiss the entire medium.

Why do I assume this?

- The art isn't good.
- The high pitched whiny emo characters.
- The story lines are crap.

I think pretty much anybody who watches anime could think of at least half a dozen shows where this is true. Easily, as there is a lot of crap out there. But to dismiss all of it on these three things? That's just ridiculous.

I didn't like it at first either, because my experience with it was things such as Yu-Gi-Oh! and other such shows aimed at children, but there are plenty of shows that are nothing like that.

LOL! I have watched MANY because people keep trying to tell me it is good. Now the old kung fu movies, those are funny, but this anime garbage is not. I have watched many styeles, and yes some are more tolerable than others, but I still can't imagine actually enjoying it. Yes, some of the art takes more skill than others, but still not what I consider to be "good". I dismiss it because I find it irritating. Yes, the overwhelming majority of the market is filled with emo eyed characters with big heads, but then again, I don't like the DC comics style artwork either. Sure A cartoon with characters like this doesn't take skill:

Spoiler

but I would still find that more pleasant to look at than what I see on the market in regards to anime.
when I google " anime"
http://www.google.com/search?q=anime&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&rlz=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=QHaeUd72O4G69gTDwYDgBA&biw=1280&bih=855&sei=Q3aeUfubKoyE8ASmq4GADQ
I get an entire page filled with exactly what I find irritating. People still try to convince me " but it isn't all bad" and then send me something I think it terrible. I don't think I will ever understand why they like it. But to each their own I guess.

 

[Legion]

*snip*

This thread wasn't about things you don't like, it's about fanboyism you don't like. But 90% of what you have written in your two posts has been about how anime sucks, which is an opinion you are entitled to, but it has nothing to do with the actual topic.

Literally, the only on-topic part was your first line in the first reply, and no explanation as to why you find them annoying.

You should also find a much smaller image or spoiler tag it, as the size of it is ridiculous.

 

[shrekfan246]

Fanboys and girls don't bother me in the slightest. They have a positive emotion about something that they enjoy. If they like it so much they want to share it with other people, I am not going to be bothered about that.

Eh...

That's not really the only spectrum of 'fanboyism'. You'd probably label them under "tools" or possibly "haters" or some combination of the two, but there are plenty of people who consider themselves the only 'true' fans of something and thus hate anything remotely related to it that isn't exactly the same as what they liked and discount the words of people who liked both.

To clarify, just look at Sonic the Hedgehog, Star Trek, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, any Bioware game, DmC, M*A*S*H, any Blizzard game... you hopefully get the picture.

Even when people are fans of the same thing, if they like [Thing] for different reasons there's always the chance they'll start arguing about it, even though they both like the overall package it comes in.

I don't really like extreme fanboyism either way. The people who try shoving something in your face as "the best thing ever" are overbearing and annoying, however rare they might be, and the people who irrationally hate things for the most ridiculous reasons just come across as petty and pedantic.

But if I had to pick something specific, I'd go with the Star Wars or Diablo fandoms. I've consoled myself with ignoring anything involving the Sonic or Bioware fanbases and trying to avoid bringing up the fact that I like both, and the complaints surrounding Abrams' Star Trek films mostly feel silly or are legitimate complaints wrapped in silly coating. But over a decade later, you still can't talk about Star Wars films without people going off about how terrible the prequels were and/or linking that damn RedLetterMedia review. And as bad as this place is when it comes to Diablo III, the Battle.net forums are somehow even worse.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

*snip*

But this thread wasn't about things you don't like, it's about fanboyism you don't like. But 90% of what you have written in your two posts has been about how anime sucks, which is an opinion you are entitled to, but it has nothing to do with the actual topic.#

Literally, the only part was your first line in the first reply, and no explanation as to why you find them annoying.

Well, yes, it does pertain to the topic because the issue is fanboism, and my issue with fanboism with anime is they KEEP trying to convince me that I will like it. I don't like it, and think it completely sucks, but yet everyone keeps trying to say well" you haven't seen this yet" like it is somehow impossible that I truly don't like it. So yes, the rampant fanboism for anime I would like to beat with a stick because:
1) It is EVERWHERE I go. My eyes hurt from the Anime.
2) People keep assuming that it is just other types of anime that are bad and theirs is the awesome of awesomeness.
3) If you really don't like Anime then they think you are just a negative or pessimistic person, when that is far from true either. I am a very happy person, just anime makes me want to vomit. Like the feeling you get when you step in dog poo.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Ok, people who fucking WORSHIP the main character of Persona 3 like he's Mind Jesus or something. He's an unlikable prick and is singlehandedly the WORST thing about the entire game (Including the party AI.) He drags EVERYTHING down, every single other character is amazing (coughAigiscoughChidori/Junpeicoughcough) but he just does not give a single fuck about anything. His conversation options are without fail at least twice as dickish than the choice I would actually like to make. ALL. GAME. LONG.

Social Link of the Day: "Wanna help me?"

ME: "Yeah sure, sounds fun!"

Choices: "Ehh i guess..."

"Ehh do I really have to?"

"Fuck off, you shit!"

?!?!?!?!?!?!


"Lol free Misato lol"

^fans

No, fuck off. He can stay sealing Nyx forever as far as i'm concerned. The twat.

^^ Same ^^ but also with Darth Maul. He had zero character but the fact that he had a double bladed lightsaber ingrained him into the minds of fans as being badass.

In general I just dislike side characters that get more focus than the main characters of any story, like Jack Sparrow from PotC and Kamina from Gurren Lagann (not within the show mind you, he was smartly used in a very effective manner, but fans latch onto him like there's no tomorrow).

Yeah if I see ONE more fanfic where someone fangasms over

Spoiler

Kamina not dying.

I will rage. That's just so far off the point of the anime, the entire thing is about SIMON's growth as a character, Kamina was just a good starting comparison. He is the man Simon wants to be and eventually surpasses.

Yet I STILL cry during Episode 8 whenever I rewatch TTGL... Fucking Gainex and their writing.

 

[Queen Michael]

Some bronies. Not all of them, mind you, I'm a brony myself, just the ones who write fanfiction. And not all of those who write fanfiction, mind you, jsut the ones who write what's known as fix-fics. To elaborate: I once found a really long fanfic that its creator had written just to explain why, in one episode, the ponies had acted in a way that he considered out of character. Look, it's just a cartoon. A good one, yeah, but if you need to write page after page after page just to explain why Twilight Sparkle and pals weren't acting the way you think they would have then you should really turn off the TV for a while.

 

[IllumInaTIma]

Social Link of the Day: "Wanna help me?"

ME: "Yeah sure, sounds fun!"

Choices: "Ehh i guess..."

"Ehh do I really have to?"

"Fuck off, you shit!"

?!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh boy, I remembered event with Kou in Persona 4. He asks you to help him clean up gym or something, and the responses are
"Help Kou"
"Be an ass and leave"
Still, my opinion of Yu fully formed only after Persona 4: Animation, so, I'll wait for Persona 3 movie to form mine of Minato (or whatever the hell his new name is)

OT: I hate it when fan(boys) bash on other fandoms for one reason or another, but fail to see that their object of worship is no better in these respects. *coughNintendofanboyscoughDED*

 

[Wadders]

Nothing really. I got over not liking what other people like a while ago. Just let 'em get on with it.

 

[Silvanus]

When the last episode of Doctor Who was broadcast, sectors of the interwebs were flooded with proclamations of, "Best episode ever!"


It wasn't. It didn't many any goddamn sense. The villain's plot was nonsensical and self-defeating, and it introduced new mechanics constantly, with little purpose other than to resolve the episode. The episode, and the show, know not the meaning of dramatic tension. Doctor Who has become the most Deus Ex Machina-ey show I've ever seen. And, OT, the loyalty to it is unbreakable.

I know why it is, too. It's Tennant, and to a lesser extent, Smith, along with how the writers have used them. They've turned it into a beauty contest. Plot, pacing and subtlety have been thrown out of the window in pursuit of shameless sexual fanservice. Doctor Who is not Science Fiction anymore, because the Sci-Fi plotline is of tertiary importance, behind childish, soap-opera drama and attempts to romanticize the Doctor himself. If you doubt this last part, ask yourself how likely it is that The Doctor will travel solely with a male companion, or an elderly companion? The likelihood is negligible.


Almost every scientific statement, explanation or rationalisation, does not hold up to scrutiny, and the writers no longer care. They know they don't have to. They know the writing has only to be wafer-thin; a veneer, almost purely vestigial at this point, to give Matt Smith a reason to look chic and appeal to the false-geek crowd. This is not a popularisation of science fiction- it is a hijacking.

Spoiler: Spoilers about the last episode.

In the last episode, the apparent glorious renaissance, Moffatt introduced the idea that when a time-traveler dies, he leaves behind a kind of "scar-tissue" representing his meddling, all the changes he has made throughout his life. The Doctor, of course, has won countless victories against various alien threats, so the villainous Great Intelligence plans to step into the timey-wimey scar-tissue and rewrite his past, turning all his past victories into defeats. That, as the basis for an episode, was pretty good. It introduced new mechanics, but they're feasible within the universe we're given.

However, the Great Intelligence (who has killed himself to accomplish this feat) leaves the timey-wimey-rewritey-stuff in a room full of the Doctor's allies. They can just do the exact same thing, and undo the damage. After a little bit of hand-wringing and worried expression, Amy steps into the scar and undoes everything the Intelligence did. Every victory of the Doctor's is a victory again. Time is saved.

But, wait! The Great Intelligence died to rewrite all that stuff... surely Amy must be giving her life up, too? Well, that's all right, says Moffatt. We can just introduce a new mechanic at the last minute! The Doctor can just step into the breach with immunity, save her, and they can both leave just fine! Perfect! All wrapped up with a neat little bow!

...And the internet goes wild. Genius! Brilliant! Such high stakes, wow!

Bullshit.

 

[Zantos]

*snip*

But this thread wasn't about things you don't like, it's about fanboyism you don't like. But 90% of what you have written in your two posts has been about how anime sucks, which is an opinion you are entitled to, but it has nothing to do with the actual topic.#

Literally, the only part was your first line in the first reply, and no explanation as to why you find them annoying.

Well, yes, it does pertain to the topic because the issue is fanboism, and my issue with fanboism with anime is they KEEP trying to convince me that I will like it. I don't like it, and think it completely sucks, but yet everyone keeps trying to say well" you haven't seen this yet" like it is somehow impossible that I truly don't like it. So yes, the rampant fanboism for anime I would like to beat with a stick because:
1) It is EVERWHERE I go. My eyes hurt from the Anime.
2) People keep assuming that it is just other types of anime that are bad and theirs is the awesome of awesomeness.
3) If you really don't like Anime then they think you are just a negative or pessimistic person, when that is far from true either. I am a very happy person, just anime makes me want to vomit. Like the feeling you get when you step in dog poo.

I had a similar problem with anime. Except for I didn't watch it if I didn't want to and everything worked out fine. Maybe if you didn't dismiss the entire genre as irritating garbage people wouldn't be so pushy.

OT: I'm going to go with the 'you're not a fan unless' fanboys. As far as I'm concerned, to be a fan you have to enjoy and be enthusiastic about something. Watching every episode, or reading the expanded universe, or cosplaying as a character is something you do as a fan, because you're a fan. It doesn't encourage people to meet your criteria, it just encourages them to think you're a bit of a prick. This annoyance goes doubly so to "You're not a fan of *something* if you like *some other thing*. Believe it or not I can keep up with 3, maybe even 4 different fandoms at the same time. Even the really big ones.

 

[Childe]

When the last episode of Doctor Who was broadcast, sectors of the interwebs were flooded with proclamations of, "Best episode ever!"


It wasn't. It didn't many any goddamn sense. The villain's plot was nonsensical and self-defeating, and it introduced new mechanics constantly, with little purpose other than to resolve the episode. The episode, and the show, know not the meaning of dramatic tension. Doctor Who has become the most Deus Ex Machina-ey show I've ever seen. And, OT, the loyalty to it is unbreakable.

I know why it is, too. It's Tennant, and to a lesser extent, Smith, along with how the writers have used them. They've turned it into a beauty contest. Plot, pacing and subtlety have been thrown out of the window in pursuit of shameless sexual fanservice. Doctor Who is not Science Fiction anymore, because the Sci-Fi plotline is of tertiary importance, behind childish, soap-opera drama and attempts to romanticize the Doctor himself. If you doubt this last part, ask yourself how likely it is that The Doctor will travel solely with a male companion, or an elderly companion? The likelihood is negligible.


Almost every scientific statement, explanation or rationalisation, does not hold up to scrutiny, and the writers no longer care. They know they don't have to. They know the writing has only to be wafer-thin; a veneer, almost purely vestigial at this point, to give Matt Smith a reason to look chic and appeal to the false-geek crowd. This is not a popularisation of science fiction- it is a hijacking.

In the last episode, the apparent glorious renaissance, Moffatt introduced the idea that when a time-traveler dies, he leaves behind a kind of "scar-tissue" representing his meddling, all the changes he has made throughout his life. The Doctor, of course, has won countless victories against various alien threats, so the villainous Great Intelligence plans to step into the timey-wimey scar-tissue and rewrite his past, turning all his past victories into defeats. That, as the basis for an episode, was pretty good. It introduced new mechanics, but they're feasible within the universe we're given.

However, the Great Intelligence (who has killed himself to accomplish this feat) leaves the timey-wimey-rewritey-stuff in a room full of the Doctor's allies. They can just do the exact same thing, and undo the damage. After a little bit of hand-wringing and worried expression, Amy steps into the scar and undoes everything the Intelligence did. Every victory of the Doctor's is a victory again. Time is saved.

But, wait! The Great Intelligence died to rewrite all that stuff... surely Amy must be giving her life up, too? Well, that's all right, says Moffatt. We can just introduce a new mechanic at the last minute! The Doctor can just step into the breach with immunity, save her, and they can both leave just fine! Perfect! All wrapped up with a neat little bow!

...And the internet goes wild. Genius! Brilliant! Such high stakes, wow!

Bullshit.

For me its Doctor Who but I really like the show. What i can't stand is the rampant hate on Moffet by old school fans. Guys hes not that bad of a writer, if you don't like the changes don't watch the show. He certainly doesn't to die for it .

 

[excalipoor]

Fanboyism doesn't bother me, but haters do.

I can do it too! Just tell me what your interests are, and I'll tell you exactly why what you enjoy is stupid, and why you're stupid for partaking in it.

 

[hazabaza1]

(or whatever the hell his new name is)

"Makoto Yuki"
Woo.
Also the name of some asian porn star too surprisingly.

On that topic, Persona 4 fanboys. Now I love Persona 4, I think it's one of the best games ever made. But fuck me are the fans annoying. We get it, you like the game, just... FUCK. Stop. Seriously.

 

[frizzlebyte]

My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

Some of the stories are actually pretty good, like Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell. But I agree, the archetypes in Anime tend to be so blatant that it is embarrassing. Actually, lack of subtlety is something I notice about a lot of Japanese pop-culture. Take JRPGs for instance. They always have the same characters over and over again, just with a new paint job slathered on like neon-colored Max Factor, and the storylines are silly to me, for the most part.

I can't understand the rampant fanboyism, either. Then again, most of the people I know who are all into Anime tend to be really immature. I always figure that if they ever mature to the point that they can recognize the archetypal forms of Anime, they will run from it so fast that the ground will ignite.

Hasn't happened yet, though.

 

[Vigormortis]

Fanboys and girls don't bother me in the slightest. They have a positive emotion about something that they enjoy. If they like it so much they want to share it with other people, I am not going to be bothered about that.

People who mock others for not liking the same thing, or criticise other things for "not being as good" are not being "fanboys/girls", they are just being tools. It's possible to be an extreme fan of something without being an idiot about it. They are not synonymous.

"Haters" on the other hand, are something that piss me off, because they are the kind of person who just go out of their way to make other people unhappy. If somebody doesn't like something, that's entirely their business, but when you get people who go into a thread called "What is your favourite character in [insert series here]?" and you get somebody who goes into that discussion purely to say something like "None, [insert series here sucks]", that's the kind of person who deserves to be beaten with a stick.

My thoughts exactly.

Fans are fans. Sure, it can be annoying sometimes when some fans try desperately to get others to like what they like. But that's just misguided enthusiasm. It's certainly not worth malice.

But the haters...

Seriously, fuck those guys. I don't care how annoying a fan is, they will never be as annoying or dickish as the person who makes a point of trying to ruin someones day simply because that someone likes something. If a person starts a thread to gush about something they like; that you don't like; just fucking ignore it. You don't need to go in and post shit like, "You're all dumb. That thing you love is overrated and bad."

Even worse is how prevalent these kinds of people are becoming around here. Worse still is that they all act like they're the paragons of the forum. Like they're the saviors of sanctity and intelligence of the Escapist.

It's messiah complex to the letter.

So annoying.

 

[mechalynx]

Not hating per se, more along the lines of not understanding at all - Yaoi girls. I just don't get it.

I do deeply dislike Hollywwod for being in love with Meryl Streep and Woody Allen. If that's not fanboyism, I don't know what is.