Random Rant of the Day: Screw fancy restraurants!

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Jazoni89

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I would hate to be rich, because I would be so frikken hungry going to all these fancy restaurants, and eating one little plate of fish that has been touched up more than a porn stars career.

No thanks, I'll stick to my greasy kebab shops, and my scabby fish and chippie's thank you very much.
 

ShadowStar42

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Ok, I feel I have to come out in defense of fine dining here, now it's very possible that you happened to go to a really crappy expensive restaurant but what you describe are not what you'll generally find in better places. My wife and I like to consider ourselves foodies, we're not rich but we generally get out to eat once a month and go to 'fancy' places a couple of times a year. I'm in Washington State in the US and all of my experience is in the US mostly here and New York but I suspect their similar all over.

Battleaxx90 said:
Seriously, what's the point? Let's go over the reasons as to why they suck:

#1: Long waiting times

In more than one sense of the word. First of all, if the restaurant is popular, there'll be an hours-long waiting list to even get in, and that's if you're lucky. If you're unlucky, you'll have to wait days, or even WEEKS to get in! And once you DO get in, what's next? Oh, just some more waiting. Hour-long waits for the menus to arrive, hour-long waits for the food to arrive, and it's all for...
Someone has already said but yeah, reservations will solve some of this problem. Waiting a long time to get a menu isn't something I've ever come across so maybe you just had a crap waiter but there's not much that can be done about that. So far as the food, unfortunately there you're right, an 30 minutes to an hour is just about how long you should expect to wait on an entree, 20-30 minutes for an appetizer. I like to use this time to converse but if you're hungry or in a hurry, well you probably shouldn't be going to a fancy place.

#2: Macroscopic food portions

Sure, they say that good things take time. But if you're going to take eons to cook up a piece of food no bigger than my fist, than I think I'd rather eat my beard that I didn't walk into the restaurant with. I wouldn't mind the wait if it looked like it actually TOOK time, but in most cases, it looks like the chef was taste-testing it the whole way through, leaving almost nothing left. Fun fact: Any old schmuck can buy a cookbook with 20-minute recipes and can make them taste good as long as they know what they're doing. Speaking of making it taste good
This is just going to vary from restaurant to restaurant, it very well could be though that you were ordering 'the wrong thing' at the restaurant. I've been to a lot of places where if you order a steak you'll get a small 8oz with a couple of sides in similar portions but if you order pasta or fish you'll be burred in food and places where the reverse is true as well. I recommend looking around at the other diners tables as you're being seated to get a gauge. Also at a nice place it's not a bad idea to ask your server what they'd recommend, they're generally pretty good about suggesting solid filling meals.

#3: The food's no better than any other restaurant

Here's a fun little story: A few months back, I was taken to a fancy restaurant somewhere in Sydney for a cousin's wedding, where I ordered some lasagne. It took two hours to get to my table and the lasagne was passable at best. The next week, me and my mates went out to some Italian restaurant in the suburbs, where I again ordered lasagne, which was the best damn lasagne I ever tasted. What's the point of going to a fancy restaurant if I can get better food at some small-time restaurant that's struggling to pay its bills? Speaking of money...
Without a doubt you can find great food for great prices at small restaurants and if you find a gem like that jump on it and tell your friends. This doesn't however translate to a blanket 'you can generally find better food for better prices than at fancy places'. It's very possible that lasagne was just something that that particular restaurant wasn't good at. Also, being that you were there for a wedding it's possible that you're long delay (and the poor flavor due to the food cooling) was due to the extra business associated with an event./

It's easy to look at a fancy place and say, "well I can spend $50 for steak here or $15 for it at the local diner and therefor the diner is better" but among other things at a nice place your paying for better trained chefs and better quality materials, which does generally translate to not only better tasting and more filling food but more healthy as well.

You mentioned earlier than anyone can get a 20min recipe and make something that tastes good, and to an extent that's true, but only in the sense that you can give anyone a pencil and they can draw a cartoon in an hour. You can't make a brisket in 20 minutes, you can't perfect grilling a steak without a LOT of practice, and you probably can't buy many of the spices, vegetables and means that you'll find in the nicest restaurants in an economical fashion.

In summary, I fail to see the appeal of fancy restaurants, due to the fact that you have to wait for hours for an expensive morsel of food that isn't even very good. I have no idea what everybody sees in them, but I for one am never going to another one of those scams again if I can help it.
Mostly what foodies see in fancy places is very simply better food but it does go further than that. Some times you go to a nice place for a unique experience, molecular gastronomy makes for a very interesting eating experience and a nice tapas place will allow you to try a broad variety of food in a single meal. Setting can also be an important factor, a nice restaurant will be an enjoyable experience just to sit in. Lastly there's inspiration, most foodies also cool, and the people in the nice restaurants (and of course sometimes in the small holes in the wall) are on the cutting edge of how to get the best out of food. Since I've been to Delmonico's I've learned a lot of tricks about how to spice my steaks, after eating at Purple I've become much more creative in building a salad. I love nice restaurants and wish I could get to them more, and I do hope that you find some in your area that you'll appreciate as well.
 

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Hagenzz said:
So I thank the waiter for the appetizer, then do /sarcasm and ask him where the fuck the rest of my food is.
So he says this is what you get, blabla appreciate the art and stuff.
Yeah. First time in my life I did a dine & dash.

I don't care that it's theft, I don't care it's a crime, I am not paying 25? for 2 bites of steak, six beans and half a potato.
Then we took the money we had saved, went to a grill place and gorged ourselves on fantastically good ribs and whatnot for half the price.
Fuck fancy restaurants.
Holy shit. I've never left a restaurant without paying for the food, but if I was in your situation, I would be *VERY* tempted to. And making food look "artistic" is one of the dumbest concepts I've ever heard, considering that the "art" is going to end up as a toilet paper stain in a few hours.
 

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RemuValtrez said:
People with money feel that they have to go to places that charge a lot, to mis-quote Shadow's Edge (Night Angel Trilogy book 2), "You should charge double for that, otherwise my lord will not believe it will work."

Rich people believe that the best things in life HAVE to cost a lot, otherwise they are no better than everyone else.
Always nice to see someone quote Brent Weeks' books. Solid work.
 

SpaceBat

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Duol said:
Grow some taste buds, not to mention taste in general.
Because taste is completely objective and yours is the one we should all strive towards. Got it, oh beacon of enlightenment.
 

Indeterminacy

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Battleaxx90 said:
A'ight, that's enough of me.
No it's not, because this begs the obvious following question:

If what you want from a meal out is affordable, large quantity food, relatively quickly and with not much worry for particular subtleties of taste, then what were you doing eating there in the first place as opposed to, say, a local pub or a TGI Fridays?
 

Klepa

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To be honest, a lot of the "high brow" restaurants and services base it's appeal on exclusivity.

If your city's fanciest restaurant suddenly dropped it's prices to 3 bucks a meal, without suffering in quality or service, most rich cats would soon disappear anyway. The novelty wears off when the service becomes mundane and available to everyone. And fancy food is just that, novelty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort_justification somewhat related. Basically, the harder it is to achieve, the more you'll enjoy it.

RemuValtrez said:
to mis-quote Shadow's Edge (Night Angel Trilogy book 2), "You should charge double for that, otherwise my lord will not believe it will work."

Rich people believe that the best things in life HAVE to cost a lot, otherwise they are no better than everyone else.
This.
 

Tilted_Logic

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I haven't been to an extremely fancy restaurant in years, but the closest thing around here would probably be a sea-food place we have. The prices are pretty extreme, but the portions have always been quite large, and you get unlimited amount of dinner rolls, which I will not lie - I could live off of. All in all I can usually overlook the prices because they serve a lot of items that aren't served anywhere else locally.

But I concur with your statement: if a restaurant charges me an arm and a leg for a meal the size of my palm on top of a two hour wait, I will go out kicking and screaming.
Come to think of it though, I've heard plenty of stories from people around here; if you complain enough if they make you wait for over an hour, the meal is usually on the house.
 

Viper1265

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I disagree with pretty much all your points, Fancy dining can be all quick, fulfilling and (relatively) cheap. For example here is the restaurant I went to.


#1. we just walked in off the street and were seated immediately
#2. I assure you I was absolutely stuffed when I was finished
#3. While fantastic food can still certainly come from some cheap hole in the wall place, food quality does not get much better than what was at this place.
#4. Split between six adults I scarcely has to pay more than $15 for my share


Admittedly, China is a very different country than any western country I'm sure, but it still goes to show you don't need a top hat and monocle to enjoy fancy high dining.
 

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i am not entirely sure that high level dining is about the food, if your aim is simply to eat you are wasting your money at those places. however if you are willing to try stuff you wouldn't eat and don't go in starving you should be good.
also, general rule for restaurants: pick your food in relation to the place you are at, don't order Steak at a fish joint next to the see, don't order fish in a place known for steak far removed from flowing water and don't order lasagne at a fancy place.
A lot of stuff is just kept on the menu to make it look well rounded, the same way i have a chess set sitting on my coffee table but am not really good playing.
 

Michael Hirst

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Being working class and having a girlfriend who isn't into showing off I get by find just finding a nice place to eat rather than fancy. Sometimes a little family owned Italian place or just a good Chinese can fill us both and make us happy.
 

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I wouldn't know about any fancy restuarant because i'm poor, but when I watch chef programs on TV sometimes and they use about every utensil etc and then put something on the plate which is about a mouth full, it makes me angry. I'm not even there, i'm not going to eat it, i'm not going to pay for it, because i'm watching it on TV, but god damn it pisses me off. People actually pay for this small portion of food. I don't get it. arghhhh!
 

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OP, have you ever eaten in a Michelin starred restaurant?

Fucking amazing, no other words. Sure you get a lot of food in other establishments, but the quality just isn't there. Sure I like a curry, or a steak (which can be excellent) just as much as the next working class pleb. But when it's a special occasion, why not enjoy something awesome?

EDIT: I think a lot of people have totally the wrong end of the stick. Not all fancy restaurants serve up portions the size of a hamster. That shit's so 80's!
 

Kotaro

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My parents told me a story once. Shortly after they got out of college (so this was in the late 80's/early 90's), they went with some friends to a fancy restaurant. They asked the waiter what would be a good appetizer, and he recommended a "pasta dish." They ordered that, and an entree each. Twenty minutes later, the dish comes out, and it's this enormous pasta bowl with lots and lots of shrimp and lobster meat in it. They're shocked, and ask the waiter how much this thing costs. He practically whispers the answer: "$100."
Between the fact that the waiter seemed to realize that what he did was a dick move and the fact that some of my parents' friends were kosher (so no shellfish), they all just stood up and walked out.

I doubt this is typical of fancy restaurants, but it's an interesting story at least.
 

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I have been to small cheap restrants and pubs that were great like wise some that were bad.
I have been to small expencive fancy places that were great and others that were meh at best.

You cannot let one place taint it all, you have to know and learn your restrants and you can only do that by going to them.
 

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Battleaxx90 said:
If it takes more than 30 minutes to get your food, lodge a complaint. If it takes more than an hour, walk out without paying. I went to a restaurant/bar, took us 45 minutes to get food from when we ordered. The manager came out and comped us for half of the bill.