Fappy said:
I disagree completely. If handled with care, it's just another narrative tool. It doesn't HAVE to define the victim from then on (though it will always be a part of them). That said, it should be used sparingly and for the "right" reasons. Not for shock value or to make us simply sympathize with the victim, but to reinforce the tone of the setting/story or to give something for the character to overcome (emotionally/mentally). I hesitate to use the term "compelling", because obviously there is nothing compelling about rape, but you know, it happens in real life and seeing a character survive/work past such a heinous act can say a lot about a character's growth.
All the above only really applies to stories that can handle such content, however. It simply doesn't belong in most, which goes without saying, and though I haven't seen Maleficent I can see where Bob is coming from in his review. Simply put, there is nothing too taboo for a story, so long as it is handled with the right level of maturity and has a good reason to be there. Rape happens, that will never change. Our culture's fiction is a reflection of our reality and is often used as an outlet to air societal anxieties. I believe such issues being hashed out and explored in a well written/thought out story is preferable to burying our heads in the sand.
I fully agree with this. The problem lies, however, in the fact that it's almost never handled well. Out of all the books I've read, I don't think I've ever seen a writer handle it well. Most of the time it's just a cheap plot device.
I mean hell, look at half the romance books out there(well what I've read at least). 9 out of 10 times the dashing and exciting and mysterious male usually either coerces or outright rapes the female lead and then she falls madly in love with him through the power of sex. That is so not how it happens. Hell, the most popular "romance" story right now, 50SoG (which I still refuse to call a romance or a love story because it's not) has, at one point, the male lead raping the female (not to mention the countless consent violations).
Out of books, movies, video games, and music I can't think of a single instance in which I've seen it used as anything BUT a cheap plot device. And tbh, it pulls me out of whatever world I'm living in when it happens and makes it not as enjoyable as it was.
Correction...The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. I've read the book and seen both versions of the film (original in Swedish and the new one that was released a few years ago). IF I am remember correctly of the Millennium trilogy(going to have to re read this now) apart from the mention of it in the first book, it doesn't really define her. It happens, she gets her revenge, then other things happen that aren't related to it. Then again it's been 3 or 4 years since I first read it so my brain's a bit fuzzy on events.
Jasper van Heycop said:
thaluikhain said:
It's also very gendered. The majority of (adult) victims are women raped by men. In fiction, this is overwhelmingly the case, it's common for women to be raped by men, to the extent that it's par for the course, often claimed unrealistic to not have this going on in totally fictional worlds, but men being raped by men is a serious issue in our society (especially in prisons), and you don't see this anywhere near as frequently.
Like hell it's not commonly mentioned in entertainment. Almost every film, game, etc. that has a part that takes place in prison or has someone getting sent to jail has references to "dropping the soap". It's so common that it's become a cliche.
Part of the problem with that is that society still doesn't seem to understand that men can get raped and that it is just as bad as a woman getting raped. Most of the things I can think about have the mention of "don't drop the soap" but that's as far as it gets. Of course then again society still blames the victims of rape instead of the rapists so there's that too....
shootthebandit said:
The only movie I can think of that tackles rape differently (well sexual assault) is crash. The victim is sexual assaulted by a cop who later on in the movie saves her life. Its a bit of a moral conundrum
mother fucker. I forgot about that. Yeah that would have to go on my very short list of ways that rape/sexual assault are handled well in media.