'Rassle Dazzle: A Wrestlemania Recap

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TakerFoxx said:
Also, I'm genuinely worried about Bray Wyatt's career now. The guy was riding a tidal wave of momentum following his victories over Bryan and the Shield, but a high profile loss can stop that cold. Look what happened to the Summer of Punk after losing to Triple H, or Damien Sandow after losing his Money in the Bank to Cena. Wyatt's one of the best parts of the show these days, and I really don't want him to be squandered on the mid-card.
This is a serious concern from me, too: Wyatt NEEDS big feuds where he can cut lots of promos and spout lots of vaguely intelligible pseudo-religious stuff, have a big build-up and so on. He's not gonna last long where he is if they can't give him a real meal, one-off matches won't do for him.
I really thought he'd beat Cena. A loss wouldn't have hurt Cena that much...
 

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Crap. It -had- to be Lesnar to end the streak? I'd rather it have been anyone, and I mean ANYONE else.

Lesnar's a fine athlete, but he's got crap mic skills, and I can't stand that. He's got no real personality. Paul is a bit too good at being the heel, and can get annoying as all get out. This means both hang around, crow endlessly about beating Undertaker, and basically get on my nerves further. it's likely going to be enough to make me fast forward my DVR every time I see them.
Yeah, Heels are supposed to do get to you like that, but seriously, it does get stale.
The streak ending is wasted on Lesnar, IMO. I imagine, as someone stated earlier, that it wasn't supposed to go down that way.

Lesnar already left several times before, hasn't he? What's to say he won't again?
It only got worse when Cesaro revealed himself to be a Paul Heyman guy, at least Cesaro has a personality though where as Lesnar has none. Now we get to hear Paul brag endlessly about both of his guys doing huge things at Wrestlemania for the next few weeks. At least the conflict between Daniel Bryan and the Authority is picking up with the Shield siding with Bryan. I look forward to seeing how that plays out.
Yeah, Cesaro will likely be able to talk for himself more than once instead of rely solely on Heyman. Hopefully he won't get some absurd catch phrase shoved down our throats like Lesnar got.

Honestly, I'm not sure the streak killing will go away any time soon. 3-6 months at least before we stop hearing about it.
 

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Given the ability and power and skill of many of Undertaker's opponents in the previous years... I just didn't see this part timer doing it.

I mean... HBK couldn't do it. Triple H couldnt do it (once with HBK as the special referee). You look at Taker's WM opponents over the years then you look at this guy... *insert derisive snort here*

I really thought the title of "Dead Man Killer" would have gone to someone better...

A few comments in general. I'm not a big pro-wrestling fan, but I don't think it's really fair to call Lesner a "part timer". I did some reading on him and his overall disputes with the WWE and everything else over the years, and the impression I've gotten is that they have basically bent over backwards to keep him in their stable despite the fact that he's wanted to work for some other people and might have gotten shorted on a number of contracts. He worked in wrestling more or less consistently since he first appeared, though did some of his time down in Japan. He was apparently into it so bad the WWE organization at one point that they were literally harassing him by going after him legally for doing his trademark "F5" claiming they owned the rights to the move. I seem to remember he won a suit over that and could do the move under another name and started calling it "The Judgement" or something which was a knock on the WWE since he could still wind up doing the move.

Due to the trouble he had in the wrestling circuit, he decided to take his legitimate combat skills to the UFC (he is an absolutely monsterous wrestler in terms of actual wrestling), and apparently worked things out with Dana White ahead of time as far as how he was going to act, since being something of a "heel" is kind of his thing, and the bottom line was in feuding with Dana (over promotional rights over beer and stuff, if not in the pro-wrestling style) he was putting butts in seats. According to some rumors the reason why Lesner lost his last match is because the WWE found a method by which they could seize a large portion of his winnings due to being able to establish the UFC as also counting as "sports entertainment" even if it's a serious fighting competition, where they couldn't do that to begin with. Lesner threw his last big fight because he was more or less going to be damned if the WWE was going to just come in and seize his purse (and keep doing it as long as he fought UFC). This is apparently why Dana is so vehement in dismissing rumors that Lesner will ever come back to the UFC, one thing Dana apparently does not stand is people throwing fights (worse than being a boring fighter), and Brock did not seem like himself in the last one, and also there is the standing legal problems with the way Lesner's old WWE contracts are written that really prevent him from doing anything physical in public to make money. This is of course all speculation, but when I was reading the theories online it was sold pretty well, and nobody will ever know for sure.

The bottom line is that the WWE apparently wants Lesner bad, probably because just his physical presence is amazing, and he's also very athletic. On top of this he helps legitimize their organization because Lesner has a legitimate wrestling background. Given everything behind him, how much time he's been in wrestling organizations, and how much effort management put into getting Lesner back in the WWE, you can't say "part time scrub".

I'll also say that on a lot of levels Lesner was probably the most honorable send off they could have given The Undertaker. Not only does it help boost the business since the WWE obviously still has plans for this product, but Lesner's legitimate wrestling background makes him an "honorable executioner" so to speak. Some fans might remember that there was a big deal many, many, many, years ago with how Bob Backlund refused to drop the title to someone without a legitimate wrestling background in his last match. As a result, despite the guys working together for years, Bob Backlund refused to drop the belt directly to Hulk Hogan. Instead they contrived a storyline to have The Iron Shiek (who DID have a legitimate wrestling background) take the belt, so the Shiek could drop the belt to Hulk Hogan. Apparently there is something of a tradition to this, especially among a lot of wrestlers who were fans of the old days. The Undertaker does NOT have a legitimate wrestling background, but was a legitimate athlete (college basketball) before becoming a wrestler. He's also a big MMA fan, and apparently he confronted Lesner after he lost his last match, and it's speculated that The Undertaker (well as himself, not his wrestling persona) was also griping at him for having thrown the match, being something of a fan of Brock's.

The overall point here is that even if the match wasn't the best, there is more to this kind of thing than just the personas involved. If this was The Undertaker's last match, chances are he went out being beaten by exactly the person he wanted to do it. Sort of like how the fans of the time probably would much rather have seen Hulk Hogan take the belt off of Bob Backlund after an epic fight, but that wasn't how Bob wanted to go out, and the story had nothing to do with it. They had to contrive the whole "OMG, Hulk Hogan has beaten The Camel Clutch!" thing instead, which was epic itself for the pure cheese involved.
 

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Thanks for the look into this sport, Bob.
We had a few clips from shows here in NL for half a year or so with recaps from the week in the USA, and I loved that as a kid (twas about 19 years ago when I was 12)...

Was a big Goldberg fan! :D
 

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Rebel_Raven said:
Xan Krieger said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Crap. It -had- to be Lesnar to end the streak? I'd rather it have been anyone, and I mean ANYONE else.

Lesnar's a fine athlete, but he's got crap mic skills, and I can't stand that. He's got no real personality. Paul is a bit too good at being the heel, and can get annoying as all get out. This means both hang around, crow endlessly about beating Undertaker, and basically get on my nerves further. it's likely going to be enough to make me fast forward my DVR every time I see them.
Yeah, Heels are supposed to do get to you like that, but seriously, it does get stale.
The streak ending is wasted on Lesnar, IMO. I imagine, as someone stated earlier, that it wasn't supposed to go down that way.

Lesnar already left several times before, hasn't he? What's to say he won't again?
It only got worse when Cesaro revealed himself to be a Paul Heyman guy, at least Cesaro has a personality though where as Lesnar has none. Now we get to hear Paul brag endlessly about both of his guys doing huge things at Wrestlemania for the next few weeks. At least the conflict between Daniel Bryan and the Authority is picking up with the Shield siding with Bryan. I look forward to seeing how that plays out.
Yeah, Cesaro will likely be able to talk for himself more than once instead of rely solely on Heyman. Hopefully he won't get some absurd catch phrase shoved down our throats like Lesnar got.

Honestly, I'm not sure the streak killing will go away any time soon. 3-6 months at least before we stop hearing about it.
I dont know. We The People was pretty absurd, yet every time I see Cesaro put his hand over his heart I was right there with him.

Its one of those fun things to say, totally fucked up in context, but still fun.

Plus who can forget the We the people/Sami Zayn! chants at NXT Arrival? That was fun. Way funner than chantin Ce-sar-oh! Or however else we're meant to chant for him.
 

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Therumancer said:
I don't think you quite understand what part timer means.
Brock is a part timer because he doesn't wrestle for the WWE every single week. He's not a main stay on the roster.
The Rock is also considered a part timer as he only shows up once in a while.
The Undertaker is a part timer aswell as he only wrestles once a year.
You get the point.
 

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shintakie10 said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Xan Krieger said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Crap. It -had- to be Lesnar to end the streak? I'd rather it have been anyone, and I mean ANYONE else.

Lesnar's a fine athlete, but he's got crap mic skills, and I can't stand that. He's got no real personality. Paul is a bit too good at being the heel, and can get annoying as all get out. This means both hang around, crow endlessly about beating Undertaker, and basically get on my nerves further. it's likely going to be enough to make me fast forward my DVR every time I see them.
Yeah, Heels are supposed to do get to you like that, but seriously, it does get stale.
The streak ending is wasted on Lesnar, IMO. I imagine, as someone stated earlier, that it wasn't supposed to go down that way.

Lesnar already left several times before, hasn't he? What's to say he won't again?
It only got worse when Cesaro revealed himself to be a Paul Heyman guy, at least Cesaro has a personality though where as Lesnar has none. Now we get to hear Paul brag endlessly about both of his guys doing huge things at Wrestlemania for the next few weeks. At least the conflict between Daniel Bryan and the Authority is picking up with the Shield siding with Bryan. I look forward to seeing how that plays out.
Yeah, Cesaro will likely be able to talk for himself more than once instead of rely solely on Heyman. Hopefully he won't get some absurd catch phrase shoved down our throats like Lesnar got.

Honestly, I'm not sure the streak killing will go away any time soon. 3-6 months at least before we stop hearing about it.
I dont know. We The People was pretty absurd, yet every time I see Cesaro put his hand over his heart I was right there with him.

Its one of those fun things to say, totally fucked up in context, but still fun.

Plus who can forget the We the people/Sami Zayn! chants at NXT Arrival? That was fun. Way funner than chantin Ce-sar-oh! Or however else we're meant to chant for him.
Eh, the whole "we the people" heel stuff didn't go on long, or intense enough to get on my nerves. I preferred Cesaro's fist pump more than anything. Guy's pretty talented, too. He brings fresher stuff to the table like the Cesaro spin. While not new, it's just not been done to death.
Frankly it's the fact that Cesaro, Colter(sp?), and Swagger have a good general talent in wrestling that made them tolerable in general.
 

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darkfiregoth said:
Therumancer said:
I don't think you quite understand what part timer means.
Brock is a part timer because he doesn't wrestle for the WWE every single week. He's not a main stay on the roster.
The Rock is also considered a part timer as he only shows up once in a while.
The Undertaker is a part timer aswell as he only wrestles once a year.
You get the point.
Generally Taker is in a different part timer status than Rock and Brock though. While Rock and Brock do other stuff, Taker basically only does wrestling. He retires for 11 months out of the year, then comes back for some promo work and a match at Wrestlemania. Its why people tolerate him a whole lot more than they tolerate other part timers.

Some other part timers that usually don't get annoyin would be like Jericho since while he does do other things, he lives and breathes wrestling. Talks about it constantly on his podcast and generally adores the industry.
 

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shintakie10 said:
darkfiregoth said:
Therumancer said:
I don't think you quite understand what part timer means.
Brock is a part timer because he doesn't wrestle for the WWE every single week. He's not a main stay on the roster.
The Rock is also considered a part timer as he only shows up once in a while.
The Undertaker is a part timer aswell as he only wrestles once a year.
You get the point.
Generally Taker is in a different part timer status than Rock and Brock though. While Rock and Brock do other stuff, Taker basically only does wrestling. He retires for 11 months out of the year, then comes back for some promo work and a match at Wrestlemania. Its why people tolerate him a whole lot more than they tolerate other part timers.

Some other part timers that usually don't get annoyin would be like Jericho since while he does do other things, he lives and breathes wrestling. Talks about it constantly on his podcast and generally adores the industry.
Jericho actually covered it well in an interview when he said that he does whatever of his pursuits he's doing at 100%. If he's wrestling, he's gonna be wrestling on Raw, on Smackdown, on Superstars, at the PPVs, at the house shows. If he's touring with Fozzy for a year, he's touring all year. And so on.

The Rock in his part-time run only sporadically appeared on Raw, and basically only wrestled on PPV. Rest of the time he was off filming movies, or doing press for movies, and not even acknowledging WWE while doing so.

Brock basically does the Rock thing, albeit occasionally for other PPVs then Mania buildup. He doesn't appear to do outside work though. The problem with him ending the streak is that the resulting momentum is of little use. He's already departed for however long, and even if he does return to challenge Bryan at Summerslam, the match will lack drama, because Brock doesn't work enough to actually be given the title.