Re-Take The Cabin
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Now that I think about it, Cabin may be more whining that a lot of what's coming out of the re-take movement, who are at least prone to give reasons they're unhappy that aren't pure selfishness. Cabin's entire premis is a metaphor for the "artist "victemized" fan "evil" fans that won't let them be creative. To rephrase: "WHAAAAAA. I have to make my customers happy instead of myself. WHAAAAAAAAAA." If I want one dimensional metaphoric victemized pity trips, I'll find an Ayn Rand novel, or read the blog of a teenager that thinks his teachers just don't understand him.
Bob, Enough. You've done a TheGO episode, and a Big Picture on the retake ME3 movement. Enough. You've made your point, and had your say. The horse has been dead for a while now, You can stop beating it.
I fail to see how in this particular article Bob is being insulting. What I see is Bob taking a look at the symbolism of The cabin in the woods, and remarking how it has some similarities to the ME 3 situation if viewed from a certain perspective. I don't see any part of this article referring to the people involved in the group in a disparaging manner, or even rehashing why he thinks they're wrong (or even within the context of the article, just saying that they're wrong). I think people are simply projecting onto a fairly neutral mention of the group based on previous statements.
Then again, this post will probably be completely ignored as people will simply want to go back to bitching and complaining.
Then again, this post will probably be completely ignored as people will simply want to go back to bitching and complaining.
Listen, Bob, I like you, seriously, I have the utmost respect for your work, and have honestly not minded your criticisms of the retake movement thus far (mostly because I semi-agree with you). But c'mon, that was just petty and rude. I'm pretty sure everyone has moved on, butthurt or not. Why? Because everyone finished the game. It's over. The waters have simmered down.
OT: Enjoyed that analysis, hooray for homicidal unicorns!
OT: Enjoyed that analysis, hooray for homicidal unicorns!
So its kinda like In a Glass Cage, Cannibal Holocaust, Henry: Portrait of a Serial and probably dozens if not hundreds of other Exploitation films but even more transparent?
Shocking!
Nice that you consider that Game Changing bob. Lets me know even more not to take you seriously on the Exploitation side of Cinema. Did you ever catch what the opening music to Hobo was?
I'll give you a hint it was from a movie made a decade before Toxic Avenger.
Shocking!
Nice that you consider that Game Changing bob. Lets me know even more not to take you seriously on the Exploitation side of Cinema. Did you ever catch what the opening music to Hobo was?
I'll give you a hint it was from a movie made a decade before Toxic Avenger.
Yeah, they even mention something about power coming from above. I think they really were going to go in that direction but had a change of heart, in which case, they needed some re-writes.Callate said:
I liked this movie but:
It had the same problems any "And Then There Were None" type of movie has. Doesn't ruin the movie, but was a sore point for me.
Once things go awry, the staff begins to cheat. If the monsters didn't kill the fool in the prescribed manner, it shouldn't occur to them that they just need to hunt him down themselves.
I can't write I felt bad for the staff. Their flippancy about what they were doing to innocent people made them disgusting to the audience. When all hell breaks loose, I think we in the audience were glad of it.
It is amusing that Bob did hear audience members complaining it wasn't close enough to their expectations though. I've read of a movie marketing technique that takes into account that some people want everything telegraphed, so that movies like "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle" put just about every major plot point in their trailers.
/shrug.
On any disgruntled Cabin in the Woods viewers: Honestly, if you walked into that movie expecting a serious horror film, after the previews that have been shown to date, you probably deserve to be disappointed. You are roughly on the same level a few of the people who were in the theater when I first saw the Fellowship of the Ring, who cried out "That's it?!?!" at the end, and walked out muttering how that ending was BS.
On the nature of Cabin in the Woods: I can see the argument that Cabin is, in some ways, a castigation of the expectations of fandom when it comes to their medium of choice. It could also simply be a way to make a self-referential horror film without making it silly like, say, the Scream or (even worse) Scary Movie franchise.
On the parallels with the Re-Take ME3 movement... /sigh. For some reason, whenever the topic comes up, I have this image in my head that harkens back to an earlier example in this post. Specifically, of someone getting to the end of Return of the King, and exclaiming "That's BULLSHIT! My Frodo would never have succumbed to the power of the ring! And what's all this crap about Gollum going all evil on me again, I made all the right choices!!"
Yeah.
Bear in mind that I agree with the general discontent about lack of resolution at the end; it's abrupt, and I'd really like to know what the consequences of my choices in ME3 lead up to in regards to things like the Genophage, Quarians/Geth, and so on.
But I think the majority of the other complaints are a bit hollow. Particularly the Deus Ex Machina complaints, since in that case people are simply complaining that they didn't get the Deus Ex Machina that they wanted. Bioware has made it pretty clear through the entire series that a conventional victory against the Reapers was impossible.
On any disgruntled Cabin in the Woods viewers: Honestly, if you walked into that movie expecting a serious horror film, after the previews that have been shown to date, you probably deserve to be disappointed. You are roughly on the same level a few of the people who were in the theater when I first saw the Fellowship of the Ring, who cried out "That's it?!?!" at the end, and walked out muttering how that ending was BS.
On the nature of Cabin in the Woods: I can see the argument that Cabin is, in some ways, a castigation of the expectations of fandom when it comes to their medium of choice. It could also simply be a way to make a self-referential horror film without making it silly like, say, the Scream or (even worse) Scary Movie franchise.
On the parallels with the Re-Take ME3 movement... /sigh. For some reason, whenever the topic comes up, I have this image in my head that harkens back to an earlier example in this post. Specifically, of someone getting to the end of Return of the King, and exclaiming "That's BULLSHIT! My Frodo would never have succumbed to the power of the ring! And what's all this crap about Gollum going all evil on me again, I made all the right choices!!"
Yeah.
Bear in mind that I agree with the general discontent about lack of resolution at the end; it's abrupt, and I'd really like to know what the consequences of my choices in ME3 lead up to in regards to things like the Genophage, Quarians/Geth, and so on.
But I think the majority of the other complaints are a bit hollow. Particularly the Deus Ex Machina complaints, since in that case people are simply complaining that they didn't get the Deus Ex Machina that they wanted. Bioware has made it pretty clear through the entire series that a conventional victory against the Reapers was impossible.
Doesn't really work since there was never really a my Frodo, just Tolkien's, as a reader you never have any control over a characters actions. To reuse an example I used another time, if I don't like a decision a character in a book makes, I cannot change that, the book will not magically change so that the character makes my choices, I cannot, for example, decide that Harry should just pull a gun on Voldemort and watch the book rewrite itself, an RPG game does allow the player to make these choices however, don't like the decision? Reload, take another and see an entirely different resolution.Raesvelg said:
Comparing interactive mediums to uninteractive ones isn't a good comparison. A person might think a book character made a dumb decision, but they understand there's nothing you can do about it except stop reading, but in a game where every other decision is the game is made by the player, pulling that away in the last five minutes at the climax of the game and proceeding to make clear whatever choice you make destroys the galactic civilisation you've been trying to protect for around 100 hours of game time...yeah. Might have sounded good in an echo chamber with two guys who think alike, but will probably be held up as an example for years to come as to why game climaxes should be subject to peer review before the public gets to see it no matter who you are.
They said it was impossible, but then in the previous two games had you do the impossible (multiple times) and come out the other end.Raesvelg said:
Also, as the saying goes, there is a Penny Arcade for any situation...
http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/01/16
K.
Just came back from seeing Cabin. Wow, I had a lot of fun. The giant release at the end, the absolute monster-stomp chaos, it was fantastic. I even held off reading about this until I got back.
As for the fans of mass effect being angry and wanting a more in-depth less pathetic ending. It isn't the same thing as Lovecraftian old ones furious they did not get their blood sacrifices. Nice try, it doesn't work, Mainly because the fans wanted a lot less death and collapse that what they were served in a clearly rushed package. The old ones of Cabin want plenty of suffering of the main characters and the deaths as their due. The mass effect players didn't like the sacrifice, didn't like the lack of choice or variety in the outcome. The old gods want the same old thing, served exactingly and repetitively.
Got it?
As for the fans of mass effect being angry and wanting a more in-depth less pathetic ending. It isn't the same thing as Lovecraftian old ones furious they did not get their blood sacrifices. Nice try, it doesn't work, Mainly because the fans wanted a lot less death and collapse that what they were served in a clearly rushed package. The old ones of Cabin want plenty of suffering of the main characters and the deaths as their due. The mass effect players didn't like the sacrifice, didn't like the lack of choice or variety in the outcome. The old gods want the same old thing, served exactingly and repetitively.
Got it?
