Really, just really! (Cross Ange update)

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

You know, never in my anime viewing history has a project made me as infuriated as Cross Ange.

I stated in the three episode rule that the show was slightly improving with the lack of dissonant scenes and the fact that Ange grew a bit of a spine.

Now, I take it back, while there are no dissonant scenes for the fourth episode, it still sucks.It's not even the fanservice which usually gets me but a combination of two things

One: Ange is unlikable again. I know that three of the team hate you but you were given opportunities to make friends with people and you just outright refuse. I get that you are still prideful but stop screwing yourself over. You are going to make things worse, and they did.

Two: the Gundam Seed references are becoming blatant and dense as a harem protagonist's brain

First was a shot of Freedom Gundam's rifle and shield along with the waist railgun.

Spoiler: why on earth

I was angry but I am willing to call it a little cameo if it weren't for the next scene.

Spoiler: WHY JUST WHY

Seriously, Kira Yamato is here, WHY. I know that Kira Yamato still is in the top 10 for Newtype magazine but this is absurd. Not only that but it's another island scene, stop copying Seed.

The final straw was during the preview. It is apparent that Ange will lighten up and become more friendly with our Kira expy. If she starts being friendly to the team, I'm calling this female development due to a male character. I know the writing isn't good but did you have to use one of the worst female character development tropes out there.

Let me clarify. It is fine for a female character to develop after spending time with a male character. However, the change can't be instantly within the episode but a slow progression over time as they get to know each other. That way, it's more naturalistic and doesn't feel like the whole "all she needed was a strong man" trope.

Edit: after some traversal on the Anime News Network forums, I have to make a correction to my arsenal point. While the Freedom Gundam's rifle was present, it was not the waist railgun but the wing stored shoulder plasma cannon and the shield was from the strike rouge.

The point still stands though that it's too heavy on the SEED references

 

[Queen Michael]

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

 

[Tony2077]

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

some people tastes are rather um interesting but i have some rather interesting tastes myself so i can't fault them

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

I'm watching partially because the third episode made up for a lot of the errors that sadly returned and partially because I really want to like Sunrise and it's anime.

I don't know the full reasons besides what I stated but something about this show and Valvrave made me keep watching almost in a sadistic fashion to see what will collapse next. Unlike Valvrave however, this is not fun failure but aggravating failure.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Best part about the latest episode - Hilda took over Zola's role as the dominant lesbian! I was wondering who would fill the aching hole in my heart after Zola's death, and looks like the producers delivered. If only they hadn't skipped what happened in the bedroom that night. Grr grr.

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

It has very good production values and some of the most gorgeous girls with amazing hair I've ever seen in an anime. And it has fanservice involving said girls, that too lesbian stuff. Oh and mecha fights against giant dragons, though I consider that more of a side-thing.

There, 3 reasons for someone to watch the show (assuming they enjoy those things)

I am of course disappointed that it's yet another goddamn shounen/ecchi fanservice anime with a godawful story and godawful characters (so far anyway), but it doesn't take much for me to quickly get over those things and keep watching for whatever the show DOES have to offer.

Anyway I only stop watching anime that genuinely bore me to tears, and this one is remaining relatively entertaining in it's own (immature and stupid) ways. Heh.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Best part about the latest episode - Hilda took over Zola's role as the dominant lesbian! I was wondering who would fill the aching hole in my heart after Zola's death, and looks like the producers delivered. If only they hadn't skipped what happened in the bedroom that night. Grr grr.

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

It has very good production values and some of the most gorgeous girls with amazing hair I've ever seen in an anime. And it has fanservice involving said girls, that too lesbian stuff. Oh and mecha fights against giant dragons, though I consider that more of a side-thing.

There, 3 reasons for someone to watch the show (assuming they enjoy those things)

I am of course disappointed that it's yet another goddamn shounen/ecchi fanservice anime with a godawful story and godawful characters (so far anyway), but it doesn't take much for me to quickly get over those things and keep watching for whatever the show DOES have to offer.

Anyway I only stop watching anime that genuinely bore me to tears, and this one is remaining relatively entertaining in it's own (immature and stupid) ways. Heh.

If I want fanservice, doujins provide better stuff. If I want mecha, I can just watch Gundam Unicorn. Production values alone are not enough to make something worth watching.

Unless a show shine in the field it is trying to do or can actually keep me engaged with a moving story, there is nothing that it can offer and the situation with Cross Ange is no exception. I understand people want to watch a show with fanservice and mechs but other media have done those components better so why waste time on the lesser of the spectrum when you can watch something better.

 

[Fappy]

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

Yeah, I don't get it either.

Now that you mention it, why the fuck am I still watching Akame ga Kill? The show is just... so bad, but.... morbid curiosity keeps reeling me back in. I guess I just want to see how stupid it gets XD

 

[hazabaza1]

If this show about mechs is boring you and you want mechs you could just watc Gurren Lagann.
Just sayin'.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Why do I have a feeling Izanagi really likes this show, but doesn't want to admit it lol.

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

Yeah, I don't get it either.

Now that you mention it, why the fuck am I still watching Akame ga Kill? The show is just... so bad, but.... morbid curiosity keeps reeling me back in. I guess I just want to see how stupid it gets XD

Yea, I realized it was getting kinda shit after Esdeath fell in love with tatsumi.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

If I want fanservice, doujins provide better stuff. If I want mecha, I can just watch Gundam Unicorn. Production values alone are not enough to make something worth watching.

Unless a show shine in the field it is trying to do or can actually keep me engaged with a moving story, there is nothing that it can offer and the situation with Cross Ange is no exception. I understand people want to watch a show with fanservice and mechs but other media have done those components better so why waste time on the lesser of the spectrum when you can watch something better.

Doujins are a completely different medium compared to anime. They do their own thing, why are you comparing it to anime? Apples to oranges.

It's not "worth watching" for you because you obviously want something much more than raw production values (fair call, usually so do I), but for quite a few people it's enough of a reason.

I haven't come across very many anime with such beautiful and colorful female character designs + fanservice involving said girls...have you? Please do recommend.

 

[[Kira Must Die]]

Honestly?

I don't get why people watch this show.

We live in an age where the number of good animes is greater than ever. And there's literally tons of good books out there, and nice live-action series to watch as well as fun games to play. With all that in mind, I can't understand why anybody would decide to watch this show without being forced. I just don't get it.

Well, some people like finding bad anime, like me.

OT: The episode pissed me off as much as it did you, maybe because I haven't seen Gundam Seed since it aired on Cartoon Network and don't remember much about it. I just thought the episode was stupid. I find it funny how this advance mech that can slay dragons with ease is defeated by a small piece of gum. It would've been even funnier if all she did to sabotage Ange was put a thumbtack on her seat after all that buildup. I guess her idea of humiliating Ange is through third grade pranks.

And yeah, Ange continues to be an unlikable *****.

 

[Tanis]

I dropped it because it was starting to feel like soft-core guro porn.

I'm not into that, I'll never be into that.

So, yeah, dropped it.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

Looked into this show by sheer fact that it was getting a lot of word of mouth ("look at how terrible this things is. blarg" Irony), and the 'grizzlness' that I read about sounded pretty terrible, till I found the lead an absolute racist *****. I honestly clapped a little during strip search, not for the very strange fetishisation of perverse violence, but for a stuck up asshole getting some form of comeuppance.

Now I watch out of the hope the main lead falls into a giant blender or something, or gets her head thoroughly out of her own ass.

Although I was like 'WTF' in that last scene as well, not so much for referencing a show I've never seen, but for the fact that the show's cast was fine enough with only figurative dicks without literal ones being inserted.

This anime has to top my 'worst protagonists' list or something, tied with SAO, man if I have a dream about both Ange and Kirito falling into a large blender I might wake up with a smile on my face... slash, an awkward day with the therapist.

 

[Kittyhawk]

Indeed, why on earth are you watching this mess, when other anime with a story to tell are out there.

Go watch Jojo's BA, Log Horizon, Parasyte or Shingeki no Bahamut. All entertaining and fun, especially the last two.

 

[Candidus]

I understand people want to watch a show with fanservice and mechs but other media have done those components better so why waste time on the lesser of the spectrum when you can watch something better.

I just want to address this, because this kind of argument... I see it a lot, and I'm not sure whether its wielders are intentionally throwing around a fallacious argument in order to slow down their opponents, who must stop to address it-- so, being malicious; or whether they actually believe this crap flies and are earnestly using it.

The notion that you should always exclusively access the best versions of a type of content or else be wasting your time is fallacious because it forgets novelty AND subjectivity.

Sure, I've seen better tits and ass, and I've seen better mecha, and I've probably seen better tits and ass and mecha together. But that's just it, I've seen them. Whereas Cross Ange is new. Edit: Also, I'm NOT sure I've seen better tits, ass, mecha and non-consensual yuri together. So there's novelty.

And as for subjectivity, in contrast to you I happen to love it. I expect I'll drop it once the male character becomes central and disrupts the coerced / forced yuri action, but up until now it's been excellent.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I understand people want to watch a show with fanservice and mechs but other media have done those components better so why waste time on the lesser of the spectrum when you can watch something better.

I just want to address this, because this kind of argument... I see it a lot, and I'm not sure whether its wielders are intentionally throwing around a fallacious argument in order to slow down their opponents, who must stop to address it-- so, being malicious; or whether they actually believe this crap flies and are earnestly using it.

The notion that you should always exclusively access the best versions of a type of content or else be wasting your time is fallacious because it forgets novelty AND subjectivity.

Sure, I've seen better tits and ass, and I've seen better mecha, and I've probably seen better tits and ass and mecha together. But that's just it, I've seen them. Whereas Cross Ange is new. Edit: Also, I'm NOT sure I've seen better tits, ass, mecha and non-consensual yuri together. So there's novelty.

And as for subjectivity, in contrast to you I happen to love it. I expect I'll drop it once the male character becomes central and disrupts the coerced / forced yuri action, but up until now it's been excellent.

While I understand the subjectivity point with us having very different views on how much we like the yuri action, I find the novelty thing to be a tad moot

I will have to use a food analogy but I heard it and it wasn't that bad. With food, you make a choice between accessible and cheap but not that well prepared fast food or high quality but either out of the way or expensive al carte meals. In this situation, it's a cost analysis between quality and ease of assess.

With anime or any visual media, the ease of assess is pretty much the same. You can find them on streaming sites easily, buy the whole season for the same, if somewhat high, accumulative price per episode and even if it is not streamed or for sale on dvd, fansubs are present. As such, ease of assess is removed from the cost analysis so only quality remains. Quality is subjective as you have stated but my media consumption time is limited compared to the span of all media so I need to pick and choose.

In addition, novelty is a relatively short term engagement tool. It can get you in the door but it can't hold you there. If novelty was truly that important, something like Chiaka the Coffin Princess or Rage of Bahamut wouldn't do that well.

to summarize, while you may find the novelty to be engaging enough to keep you there and the show to be good, I find the novelty to be cheap shock and awe with a bad foundation.

 

[Candidus]

I understand people want to watch a show with fanservice and mechs but other media have done those components better so why waste time on the lesser of the spectrum when you can watch something better.

I just want to address this, because this kind of argument... I see it a lot, and I'm not sure whether its wielders are intentionally throwing around a fallacious argument in order to slow down their opponents, who must stop to address it-- so, being malicious; or whether they actually believe this crap flies and are earnestly using it.

The notion that you should always exclusively access the best versions of a type of content or else be wasting your time is fallacious because it forgets novelty AND subjectivity.

Sure, I've seen better tits and ass, and I've seen better mecha, and I've probably seen better tits and ass and mecha together. But that's just it, I've seen them. Whereas Cross Ange is new. Edit: Also, I'm NOT sure I've seen better tits, ass, mecha and non-consensual yuri together. So there's novelty.

And as for subjectivity, in contrast to you I happen to love it. I expect I'll drop it once the male character becomes central and disrupts the coerced / forced yuri action, but up until now it's been excellent.

While I understand the subjectivity point with us having very different views on how much we like the yuri action, I find the novelty thing to be a tad moot

I will have to use a food analogy but I heard it and it wasn't that bad. With food, you make a choice between accessible and cheap but not that well prepared fast food or high quality but either out of the way or expensive al carte meals. In this situation, it's a cost analysis between quality and ease of assess.

With anime or any visual media, the ease of assess is pretty much the same. You can find them on streaming sites easily, buy the whole season for the same, if somewhat high, accumulative price per episode and even if it is not streamed or for sale on dvd, fansubs are present. As such, ease of assess is removed from the cost analysis so only quality remains. Quality is subjective as you have stated but my media consumption time is limited compared to the span of all media so I need to pick and choose.

In addition, novelty is a relatively short term engagement tool. It can get you in the door but it can't hold you there. If novelty was truly that important, something like Chiaka the Coffin Princess or Rage of Bahamut wouldn't do that well.

to summarize, while you may find the novelty to be engaging enough to keep you there and the show to be good, I find the novelty to be cheap shock and awe with a bad foundation.

I think a food analogy here is terrible.

I think cheesecake is excellent and I want to eat it all the time.
I think Ghost in the Shell Arise was excellent, but once is enough.
Just because non-GITS-franchise-cyborg-anime-A isn't as good, doesn't mean that watching GITS again instead is the better option.

Which leads me to how you've misinterpreted my use of the word novel. "As an abnormality or curiosity".

That's not what I mean. I mean novel as in: something I haven't already seen. Novel as in new.

Every episode of everything you ever see is novel the first time you see it. So the point is hardly moot.

 

[Kaimax]

It's not "worth watching" for you because you obviously want something much more than raw production values (fair call, usually so do I), but for quite a few people it's enough of a reason.

It's really Ironic that this guy still watches something that he obviously hates.


I don't watch Cross Ange for one simple reason, because I'm currently tired with the "edgy gore anime". I don't even watch Terra Formars knowing how popular it is in Shonen Jump. No amount of fanservice will make me watch Cross Ange at the current moment (this is coming from a guy who is currently watching Madan no Ou to Vanadis and Denki-gai no Honya san)

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

It's not "worth watching" for you because you obviously want something much more than raw production values (fair call, usually so do I), but for quite a few people it's enough of a reason.

It's really Ironic that this guy still watches something that he obviously hates.


I don't watch Cross Ange for one simple reason, because I'm currently tired with the "edgy gore anime". I don't even watch Terra Formars knowing how popular it is in Shonen Jump. No amount of fanservice will make me watch Cross Ange at the current moment (this is coming from a guy who is currently watching Madan no Ou to Vanadis and Denki-gai no Honya san)

I watch it out of pure and simple schadenfreude at this point, watching the show just unravel as I pull on it's seams. I did it with Valvrave and I am doing it with this though if the fifth episode does what I hope it doesn't' do, then I will officially drop it.

Also, Edgy is not necessary a bad thing or do you think that Psycho Pass is too edgy for you. Dark themes and tone can be used well to create compelling stories of people triumphing or succumbing to their struggle. What you probably are referring to are shows that use dark themes and tone for the simple purpose of seeming more mature when they really carry a juvenile approach to them.

Edit: also, the two shows you mentioned are rated fairly well on ANN and Vanadis is being reviewed by Hope Chapman who I remind people was one of the big voices on the site denouncing Cross Ange.

 

[Haerthan]

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Seriously, Kira Yamato is here, WHY. I know that Kira Yamato still is in the top 10 for Newtype magazine but this is absurd. Not only that but it's another island scene, stop copying Seed.

The final straw was during the preview. It is apparent that Ange will lighten up and become more friendly with our Kira expy. If she starts being friendly to the team, I'm calling this female development due to a male character. I know the writing isn't good but did you have to use one of the worst female character development tropes out there.

Let me clarify. It is fine for a female character to develop after spending time with a male character. However, the change can't be instantly within the episode but a slow progression over time as they get to know each other. That way, it's more naturalistic and doesn't feel like the whole "all she needed was a strong man" trope.

/s on. But you see she needed that strong man in order for her to grow as a character, since he is the only one who truly sees the inside of Ange. She likes being tied to the bed by a man. /s off.

Jesus man why do you put yourself through this? Well at least it gives me trolling material.

Captcha: smart casual. Damn Captcha stop looking at my closet.