Really, just really! (Cross Ange update)

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I understand people want to watch a show with fanservice and mechs but other media have done those components better so why waste time on the lesser of the spectrum when you can watch something better.

I just want to address this, because this kind of argument... I see it a lot, and I'm not sure whether its wielders are intentionally throwing around a fallacious argument in order to slow down their opponents, who must stop to address it-- so, being malicious; or whether they actually believe this crap flies and are earnestly using it.

The notion that you should always exclusively access the best versions of a type of content or else be wasting your time is fallacious because it forgets novelty AND subjectivity.

Sure, I've seen better tits and ass, and I've seen better mecha, and I've probably seen better tits and ass and mecha together. But that's just it, I've seen them. Whereas Cross Ange is new. Edit: Also, I'm NOT sure I've seen better tits, ass, mecha and non-consensual yuri together. So there's novelty.

And as for subjectivity, in contrast to you I happen to love it. I expect I'll drop it once the male character becomes central and disrupts the coerced / forced yuri action, but up until now it's been excellent.

While I understand the subjectivity point with us having very different views on how much we like the yuri action, I find the novelty thing to be a tad moot

I will have to use a food analogy but I heard it and it wasn't that bad. With food, you make a choice between accessible and cheap but not that well prepared fast food or high quality but either out of the way or expensive al carte meals. In this situation, it's a cost analysis between quality and ease of assess.

With anime or any visual media, the ease of assess is pretty much the same. You can find them on streaming sites easily, buy the whole season for the same, if somewhat high, accumulative price per episode and even if it is not streamed or for sale on dvd, fansubs are present. As such, ease of assess is removed from the cost analysis so only quality remains. Quality is subjective as you have stated but my media consumption time is limited compared to the span of all media so I need to pick and choose.

In addition, novelty is a relatively short term engagement tool. It can get you in the door but it can't hold you there. If novelty was truly that important, something like Chiaka the Coffin Princess or Rage of Bahamut wouldn't do that well.

to summarize, while you may find the novelty to be engaging enough to keep you there and the show to be good, I find the novelty to be cheap shock and awe with a bad foundation.

I think a food analogy here is terrible.

I think cheesecake is excellent and I want to eat it all the time.
I think Ghost in the Shell Arise was excellent, but once is enough.
Just because non-GITS-franchise-cyborg-anime-A isn't as good, doesn't mean that watching GITS again instead is the better option.

Which leads me to how you've misinterpreted my use of the word novel. "As an abnormality or curiosity".

That's not what I mean. I mean novel as in: something I haven't already seen. Novel as in new.

Every episode of everything you ever see is novel the first time you see it. So the point is hardly moot.

I was mainly trying to make a point about cost analysis but personally, I could rewatch Madoka and still be happy.

Think about it this way, If I had a choice between two different anime in the same season with the same base concept but one was done far better, I would take the better one unless I want to watch the lesser for schadenfreude.

Also, while the episode you see is novel in terms of it being new to your memory the first time you see it, the story and tone may be old. Chiaka for as good as it is can't be considered new on the story front even if it's a new show temporally.

At some point, temporal novelty will give way to your own internal analysis and if the show doesn't stand up to that, then the novelty will have worn off and there will be nothing to stand on.

Our internal analysis clearly differ, that I think is agreeable. But i guess our contention this time is how we view novelty both in definition and impact.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Spoiler: WHY JUST WHY

Seriously, Kira Yamato is here, WHY. I know that Kira Yamato still is in the top 10 for Newtype magazine but this is absurd. Not only that but it's another island scene, stop copying Seed.

The final straw was during the preview. It is apparent that Ange will lighten up and become more friendly with our Kira expy. If she starts being friendly to the team, I'm calling this female development due to a male character. I know the writing isn't good but did you have to use one of the worst female character development tropes out there.

Let me clarify. It is fine for a female character to develop after spending time with a male character. However, the change can't be instantly within the episode but a slow progression over time as they get to know each other. That way, it's more naturalistic and doesn't feel like the whole "all she needed was a strong man" trope.

/s on. But you see she needed that strong man in order for her to grow as a character, since he is the only one who truly sees the inside of Ange. She likes being tied to the bed by a man. /s off.

Jesus man why do you put yourself through this? Well at least it gives me trolling material.

Captcha: smart casual. Damn Captcha stop looking at my closet.

Once again, I was hoping that there was some potential for schadenfreude seeing the show unravel at the seams. At this point though, if the episode does the stupid trope i mentioned, I will drop it because it's not worth it.

 

[Haerthan]

Spoiler: WHY JUST WHY

SNIPPETY SNIP.

Snip once more.

Once again, I was hoping that there was some potential for schadenfreude seeing the show unravel at the seams. At this point though, if the episode does the stupid trope i mentioned, I will drop it because it's not worth it.

Schadenfreude, best kind of Freud.

 

[Kaimax]

Also, Edgy is not necessary a bad thing or do you think that Psycho Pass is too edgy for you.

I didn't mention that I don't like "edgy", I'm just tired of adding "newer edgy" series to my watch list, and the only "edgy" anime I currently watch are only Akame ga Kill and Psycho Pass 2.

Also to answer Why "Kira Yamato" is there and all the similarities with Gundam SEED? It's directed by Fukuda "Fucking" Mitsuo. The guy who let his wife "ruin" an anime just because had a dispute with one of the female voice actors.

And that's another reason why I don't watch Cross Ange...goddamn Fukuda.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Also, Edgy is not necessary a bad thing or do you think that Psycho Pass is too edgy for you.

I didn't mention that I don't like "edgy", I'm just tired of adding "newer edgy" series to my watch list, and the only "edgy" anime I currently watch are only Akame ga Kill and Psycho Pass 2.

Also to answer Why "Kira Yamato" is there and all the similarities with Gundam SEED? It's directed by Fukuda "Fucking" Mitsuo. The guy who let his wife "ruin" an anime just because had a dispute with one of the female voice actors.

And that's another reason why I don't watch Cross Ange...goddamn Fukuda.

I don't recall much about him personally, what show did his wife work on? Seed Destiny because that would make sense given how bad it was

 

[Kaimax]

I don't recall much about him personally, what show did his wife work on? Seed Destiny because that would make sense given how bad it was

He's basically a one trick pony now, seeing how similar Cross Ange is to GS in terms of visuals and aesthetics, and yes it was GSD, and Fukuda has only worked on 5 anime series (9 titles in total), Cross Ange is the first one he produced all the rest was as a Director.

 

[Username Redacted]

I'm going to be honest. Cross Ange wasn't really on my radar before this current season started. It got on my radar once I saw how butthurt people got over the first episode. I went into it thinking that there was no way in hell that it's as bad as people are saying. I was both right and wrong. The show itself is way worse than something with the simple premise of girls in robots killing dragons has any right to be. The so-called offensive material is IMO not worth getting as upset over as I've seen people getting. I'll probably continue to watch this show because I'm not watching much this season* and I enjoy watching train wrecks.


*Chaika S2, Psycho-Pass 2, Akame Ga Kill (leftover from previous season), Grisaia no Kajitsu and a couple of slice of life shows that badly pale in comparison to Barakamon, the gem of a show from last season

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

"THIS ANIME HAS TROPES!"


Sorry, still failing to be outraged here. Try again next week!

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

-snip-

Yes, we know you hate the show. How about instead of wasting your time telling us all of the myriad was in which the latest episode was bad, why dont you devote your time to a currently airing Sunrise mecha show that doesn't suck, like, oh, I don't know...

Spoiler: Maybe something like...

This?

I dropped Regonguista no G because the fourth episode just piled a bunch of plot points out of nowhere and it made no sense.

 

[Nathaniel Grey]

I don't understand where all this hate is coming from. I think Cross Ange is a pretty great show so far and has been my favorites this fall season(Behind parasyte). There isn't really any "fan service" is my opinion. Everyone's actions seem to further progress the story and help character development. I personally like Ange now waaaaayyyy more than I did in the first three episodes. See went from being a brat to a trained killer and I love it.

Where is all this anger coming from OP? This seems to be more than just a bad show to you.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

I like this show simple as that.

You don't? I don't really care and you should stop watching it instead of whining on a forum to others about it. Because trust me..this show is waaaaaaay better that the other shit I've seen in my anime viewing life.

This is the same thing like Hatred..you don't like the game? Ignore it and move on.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I don't understand where all this hate is coming from. I think Cross Ange is a pretty great show so far and has been my favorites this fall season(Behind parasyte). There isn't really any "fan service" is my opinion. Everyone's actions seem to further progress the story and help character development. I personally like Ange now waaaaayyyy more than I did in the first three episodes. See went from being a brat to a trained killer and I love it.

Where is all this anger coming from OP? This seems to be more than just a bad show to you.

I consider Cross Ange strike three after Valvrave and Buddy Complex. It's disheartening to see a studio that produced some of my favorite shows become so bad over the past few years with non-gundam related shows.

Is it a bit dramatic, yes, but we know Sunrise can do better so I expect better from them.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

"THIS ANIME HAS TROPES!"


Sorry, still failing to be outraged here. Try again next week!

Tropes are not the issue, everything has tropes. It's bad use of tropes that just keeps making me want to bash my head. Unlikeable protagonists have been done better, softening up because of a crush has been done better.

A trope is a tool and if the tool is used poorly, I feel the right to call it out.

 

[Lunar Templar]

snip

There one of the Freedoms wings under the Plasma Cannon and what looks to be the RX-78's Beam Rifle under the Freedoms Rifle.

 

[SacremPyrobolum]

Spoiler

Seriously man, come on. We know you don't like the show. It has been noted.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

snip

There one of the Freedoms wings under the Plasma Cannon and what looks to be the RX-78's Beam Rifle under the Freedoms Rifle.

did not notice those, thanks

Still kind of proves the point of going back to old ground though.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Spoiler

Seriously man, come on. We know you don't like the show. It has been noted.

Spoiler

Good catchy song

Still going to complain that Sunrise has dropped the ball again.

 

[Lunar Templar]

snip

There one of the Freedoms wings under the Plasma Cannon and what looks to be the RX-78's Beam Rifle under the Freedoms Rifle.

did not notice those, thanks

Still kind of proves the point of going back to old ground though.

Personally, I'm ambivalent toward referencing older work, AS LONG as its like the 'armory' pic, or the show is set up in such a way as to have a ton of references and still work (Build Fighters season one had like 40 some odd cameo's from past Gundam characters, and it total worked given the setting)

I donno, maybe it just my hate for Kira showing but this is really tasteless having him just 'show up' like that

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

snip

There one of the Freedoms wings under the Plasma Cannon and what looks to be the RX-78's Beam Rifle under the Freedoms Rifle.

did not notice those, thanks

Still kind of proves the point of going back to old ground though.

Personally, I'm ambivalent toward referencing older work, AS LONG as its like the 'armory' pic, or the show is set up in such a way as to have a ton of references and still work (Build Fighters season one had like 40 some odd cameo's from past Gundam characters, and it total worked given the setting)

I donno, maybe it just my hate for Kira showing but this is really tasteless having him just 'show up' like that

I actually liked Build Fighters for the references given the show's concept

I don't hate Kira Yamato like some people do, I think he had a decent arc in Seed and was a really likable character with strong morals, but he just popped out of nowhere with no foreshadowing other than the opening and no real reason since this isn't a gundam show. It would be like Ray Amuro showing up in Gundam 00 and taking over one of the pilots, it's makes no sense.