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Yagharek

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At 19, you have a long time.

However, Gaiman is definetely a good choice, and his other books are great too.

While you're reading classics, if you haven't already, then read Heart of Darkness. Very short, and probably the best of the classics I've read.

Hope you enjoy your reading.
 

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ironduke88 said:
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The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch. It's about a bunch of thieves in a fantasy world. As far as I know there's only one.
There's a second one out in paperback now. I liked the setup but it went in an unexpected and unsatisfying direction for me. It shifts from a great sort of con game with the Gentlemen Bastards into an exaggerated James Bond climax. The whole character of the book and the focus of the plot changes once the spymaster appears and I just didn't think the transition made much sense. I actually liked both halves of the book, but I just didn't feel they belonged together.
I don't think it is out on this side of the pond atm but I may be wrong. You Yanks tend to get books a bit earlier than us. Is your analysis there on the first or second book? If you are talking about the appearance of the spider then I do kind of agree and I do think the book was overly climatic. For me it was the unmasking of the Grey King when the book went a bit to generic. I still throughly enjoyed the book and thought it was pretty original though.
It is out, I've had it for about a year now.

As for fantasy books, ehm:
- Everything by David Eddings is pretty basic.
- Raymond E. Feist, same thing as Eddings.
- Robin Hobb is pretty good, but it's more fantasy fantasy.
- Markus Heitz, the Dwarves is very good.

I'd recommend Feist. When I started reading fantasy, I was intimidated or annoyed (depended on the book) by the fact that every character had to have a special made-up name. Now I have no problems with that, but Feist sticks to (pretty) normal names for the humans, which is nice.
 

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OmegaXIII said:
Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan
Song of Ice and Fire series by George RR Martin
EDIT: Sorry just re read the first post, though i still recommend you check these out because they are thoroughly enjoyable

Redemption of Athalus by David Eddings
Gardens of the Moon by Steven Erikkson (may have mispelled the surname)
This person speaks the truth. Gardens of the moon is very good at getting to the point and has no singular protagonist, and everyone's morally ambiguous. And there's very little turgid prose about the history of whereever-the-hell-it-is-set-in. It can be a bit hard to follow, though, and follows extremely many plotlines at once.

Wheel of Time is more easy reading, but more cliche, although it does it well in my opinion.
 

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Try the Inheritance series. Eragon was an immediate hit when it came out and its sequels have only gotten better. Too bad the movie was a travesty.
I second this; Eragon gets way too much stick on the internet that only really stems from its popularity and 'copying' of other series like LOTR and Star Wars. I mean it does derive from a lot of aspects but it does so much that's new and original that it didn't really hinder my enjoyment. It's not under 300 pages but it's a great place to start, especially since when I got into it I read it in like 2-3 days.

And yeah, the movie had so much potential especially with people like Jeremy Irons and John Malkovich on board. If only they'd stuck to the source material. . . :(

EDIT: Oh, and the Dark Tower! How the hell did I forget that series? xD
 

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Recommending anything by Salvatore. His writing usually doesn't have heroes that are unfailingly good and sometimes the main character is not good at all.
 

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If you're not offended with the Lord of the Rings setting then you might want to consider 'The Hobbit' or just reading the last half of 'Return of the King' to see how the books really ended (Peter Jackson cut it out of the movie).

I don't know how old you are, but decent fantasy for the younger reader would be the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander 'The Book of Three', 'The Black Cauldron' (Disney made a movie of it), 'The Castle of Llyr', 'Taran Wanderer' and 'The High King' (going with youth oriented books is probably the only way you'll find one under 300 pages). Alexander has written over 30 books and some of them are aimed at mature readers too (do a web search for Lloyd Alexander and see if anything interests you).
 

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the Dept of Science said:
Ok, I like reading but haven't really got into the whole fantasy genre. I tried LotR a couple of times but really didn't get along with it, nothing really sparked my interest or wanted me to keep reading, especially after watching the movies.
Every time I read the blurb of a fantasy book I groan, it always seems to be about some improbably named and unambiguously good hero going on a quest against some equally improbably named and unambiguously evil foe, sandwiched between turgid prose about the history of some non-existent land.
So, what do you recommend to challenge my scepticism?
I think you mean "Skeptic". "Sceptic" means "infected" or "full of bile"...

But if I had to recommend a fantasy book to a non-fantasy reader, I'd suggest the Sci-Fi adventure Ender's Game. It wears its subtext on its sleeve, but does have deeper meaning if you want to dive into it. Think Harry Potter, only a badass and in space. (Ender is decades before Potter, so its ok).
 

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The Dresden Files by Jim Butcher(12 books, ongoing)
This series isn't completely fantasy, sort of a cross of fantasy/mystery/thriller. It's very well written and thoroughly entertaining. If you're a fantasy skeptic then this is a great series since it's got some elements of fantasy but also alot of elements of other genres.

If you just want some straight up good fantasy then check out the Codex Alera series (6 books, finished) also by Jim Butcher. In the crudest depiction I could possibly give it, it's Avatar (The last airbender) meets LotR. Awesome series also, everything that Butcher writes is crazy entertaining.
 

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One that's less than 300 pages. Good luck with that.

Try the Song of Ice and Fire (Part one- Game of Thrones) by George RR Martin. It has been described as fantasy for people who don't like fantasy.
 

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2xDouble said:
I think you mean "Skeptic". "Sceptic" means "infected" or "full of bile"...
'Sceptic' is the British English spelling of 'skeptic'. You're thinking of 'septic'.
 

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if you don't like to read then i don't recommend to you...300 pages a week......the youth nowadays...
 

Jandau

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I'm going to join the chorus of zealots chanting "Song of Ice and Fire" despite it being over 300 pages long. It really is a great series. Granted, it does start a bit slow and takes a bit before it gets really good (about the first third or fourth of the first book is a bit uneventful), but if you liked Herbert (which I assume means you dredged your way through the whole Dune series, including Children of Dune) you'll likely be able to survive the initial shock.

Read the first book (Game of Thrones) and if you aren't hungry for more, there's something seriously wrong with you.
 

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the Dept of Science said:
-snippety-
I don't think I can really work with your restriction of under 300 pages, that's just nuts. I can however recommend an excellent 7-book series by authors Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman called The Death Gate Cycle.

Unlike suggestions such as the Wheel of Time novels, where 'helpful' posters have just recommended the longest series in the history of the world to you (only slightly joking), the Death Gate Cycle is simply a 4-book cycle and 3 closing novels - the premise of the universe being that the world (which is actually our world, in the distant future) has been radically altered by an ancient battle between two ideologically opposed races of demigods, the Patryns and the Sartans, which saw the Patryns cast down and imprisoned in the Labyrinth and the world itself destroyed, with 4 new worlds created from the ashes; the first 4 books [small](Dragon Wing, Elven Star, Fire Sea, and Serpent Mage)[/small] explore each of those sundered worlds while the closing trilogy [small](Hand of Chaos, Into the Labyrinth, and The Seventh Gate)[/small] brings together characters and events set in motion during those initial volumes.

Far from chronicling the tale of an improbably named hero in his quest against ultimate evil, the Death Gate novels depict the trials and travails of the 'normal' races (elves, dwarves, humans) in each of the sundered realms, isolated from the other worlds and abandoned by their would be 'caretakers' the Sartan for unknown reasons, and how the coming of the man with the bandaged hands changes the course of events in each world. The protagonist Haplo you see is one of the few Patryns to have escaped their hellish prison world of the Labyrinth, and he is visiting each of the sundered worlds as a prelude to invasion - sent by the Lord of the Patryns to act as his spy and agent of chaos, reconnoitering and doing what he can to destabilize each world without forewarning their ancient enemies that they have freed themselves.

Naturally it becomes more complicated then that eventually (best laid plans and all), but right from the beginning you know you're reading something atypical - the "main character"[footnote]Haplo, while the overall protagonist and "main character" of the series, remains a largely secondary character at first about which not much is revealed, and he doesn't tend to enter the picture until events are already well in motion. The individual books in the initial cycle all tend to start in medias res you see.[/footnote] of the first novel Dragon Wing is an assassin, driven only by self-interest and embroiled against his wishes in what he thinks is a political coup (if only it were that simple). The "heroes" of the Death Gate books are deeply flawed, whether they're selfish dilettantes, amoral murderers, or bumbling cowards, and the villains (or at least most of them) are the very best sort - the kind you can empathize with and understand, men who do evil not because they're so evil oh ho! but for entirely human reasons that we the readers will probably agree with; none of them are really the bad guy (except Sinistrad of course, but he's another sort of monster entirely and interesting for other reasons).

And then there's Haplo, who, as the vanguard of an army of prideful and bitter demigods cast down because they were basically 'the bad guys' in the first place, goes about subtly igniting world wars for no other reason than to make a world easier to conquer later - this is the fellow you're supposed to be rooting for, and it's a testament to how well written the story is that you actually will be, even if you can't bring yourself to like him. It makes his subsequent character growth (in response to the things he sees that shake the very foundations of his carefully ordered worldview) just that much more compelling when you consider his starting point.

There are very few flat characters running around the pages of the Death Gate novels, and I cannot recommend them highly enough because of that.
 

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LordCraigus said:
2xDouble said:
I think you mean "Skeptic". "Sceptic" means "infected" or "full of bile"...
'Sceptic' is the British English spelling of 'skeptic'. You're thinking of 'septic'.
Claiming another language doesn't make it any more correct. Though you're right, I was thinking of 'septic'.
 

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2xDouble said:
LordCraigus said:
2xDouble said:
I think you mean "Skeptic". "Sceptic" means "infected" or "full of bile"...
'Sceptic' is the British English spelling of 'skeptic'. You're thinking of 'septic'.
Claiming another language doesn't make it any more correct. Though you're right, I was thinking of 'septic'.
since when is british english another language? It is a main variety of english.Varieties arent false or right.And if anything is correct then it is this one..being...english...
 

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Has nobody recommended the His Dark Materials series? Altogether, it's more than 300 pages, and the movie was pretty bad. Or at least, my memories of it was, I'm pretty sure they left out a lot of important parts.

Also, I'm gonna add to the Song of Ice and Fire and the Abhorsen crowd.
 

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Go for the Elenium series by David Eddings. The books aren't too long, and they're full of action and lulz.
 

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Oh boy. I understand the apprehension, OP, but do I have a treat for you.

If you enjoy moral ambiguity, occasional horrific scenes and the use of fiction as an allegory for the human condition I think you'll like the Prince of Nothing series by R. Scott Bakker. It's a bit of a cult classic but it meets your criteria perfectly (except for the length, obviously).

Neil Gaiman is also really good. And The Gormenghast Trilogy another guy recommended is good too, but pretty heavy.

Also most importantly: please don't think of LotR as the epitome of fantasy. Yes, it started the whole notion of world building and pretty much the entire genre, but the simple matter is that JRR Tolkien is just not a good writer. Now if you'll excuse me I'll be in my bombshelter for the inevitable fallout from my previous statement.